I would like to apologize straight away, but this is a holy war... GA aircraft.

[FPSOlkor]

I'm currently working on a responce to one book which was published in Russian, and I think that I need your help in identifying the origins of the mistakes made by author.

[Skoshi Tiger]

To be 'effective' a plane would have to achieve its goals. I guess the 'effect' that was trying to be obtained was winning the war.

So the 2 possible answeres would be the Il2 and any soviet aircraft.

This doesn't have anything to do with the abilities of the individual aircraft, just realizing their goal!

[Then throught the use of pure logic Skoshi then went on to prove 1 = 2, black is equal to white and that god did not exist. At which point the universe ...................]

[DKoor]

IL-2.
When it comes to attacking ground targets, it's gotta be IL-2 for me in that selection of planes.

[Igo kyu]

DKoor wrote:

...that selection of planes.

Yeah, that list needs the Hawker Typhoon, and the P47.

[FPSOlkor]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Yeah, that list needs the Hawker Typhoon, and the P47.

It does not, because there were no Typhoons or P47s on the EF

[Antoninus]

I voted for the Fw-190, mainly because of it's greater flexibility plus the higher bombload and ability to defend itself.

Even the ground attack versions were still good fighters but could also be used as dive bomber/fighter bomber with a decent bombload. Especially it could carry heavy bombs other than the Il-2. Planes like the Sturmovik might be perfectly adapted to their niche but you need specialized planes for each mission, while good fighter bombers can be used in almost any role where they are currently needed most. You can achieve more with less planes, concentrate production and supply chain on less different types. A more efficient contribution to the war effort.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

To be 'effective' a plane would have to achieve its goals. I guess the 'effect' that was trying to be obtained was winning the war.

So the 2 possible answeres would be the Il2 and any soviet aircraft.

This doesn't have anything to do with the abilities of the individual aircraft, just realizing their goal!

[Then throught the use of pure logic Skoshi then went on to prove 1 = 2, black is equal to white and that god did not exist. At which point the universe ...................]

You read to many "[ENTER PLANE NAME HERE] won the war!"-Threads.

The mission of a ground-attack-fighter is not to win a war but to destroy a ground-target. So the logic way to approach this would be to compare numbers of planes against numbers of ground-units destroyed compared to losses.

[Thunderbolt56]

IL2 for sure. Read all the first-person accounts of German wehrmacht soldiers all the way up to the end of the war and they say the IL2s were murderous. The stukas were really only effective early and desperately needed local air superiority to be effective. The FW's were basically modified from the fighter role and while effective at times in certain situations, were extremely limited in their loadouts and amounts of ordnance they could carry.

The IL2 was more effective.

[csThor]

Actually the Schlacht-Version of the Fw 190 flew much different missions than the Il-2 (due to the course of war). The Il-2 was an aircraft for direct frontline CAS, designed to operate and survive directly over the frontline. The Fw 190 in the Schlacht role, however, mostly operated against the soviet supply organisation, the truck columns with ammunition, fuel and other essential supplies as well as artillery posts and the likes. This was where they were most effective (comparable to the fighter-bombers of the 9th USAAF and 2nd TAF) and not in directly attacking enemy tanks and positions.

I don't think such a comparison can be made. Which is why I won't make a choice here.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt56

IL2 for sure. Read all the first-person accounts of German wehrmacht soldiers all the way up to the end of the war and they say the IL2s were murderous. The stukas were really only effective early and desperately needed local air superiority to be effective. The FW's were basically modified from the fighter role and while effective at times in certain situations, were extremely limited in their loadouts and amounts of ordnance they could carry.

The IL2 was more effective.

Just that I get your argument straight: You take survivours accounts to say what attack plane was the most efficient?

The StuKas were effective while they had air-superiority and against retreating targets, against infrastructure and fortified emplacements. When the IL2 was the best attacker, Germans were already on the run and Russia had the air superiority in most areas.