can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?

zapatista · #1 12-15-2012, 12:53 PM

it has been done for other projects, and might work here to get some further tools released by 1C so we as a community can keep expanding and improving CoD

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

if 1C provides them with the office area to work in, and the basic pc's they were using before, we might be able to raise enough money for their salaries for 6 months and get a couple of near finished elements to be completed (SDK, maybe control of vehicles, improved "visibility bubble" to reduce popup, etc)

it wouldnt be focused on "finishing the sim" (unless one of us wins the lotto

), but we might get a couple of elements finished that luthiers team already were very close to completing.

just a thought

ATAG_Bliss · #2 12-15-2012, 01:02 PM

Can't be done. The code is locked, sealed and hid away thanks to Jason/Loft. It was contingent on them accepting the deal. Obviously if the code was available, they wouldn't have the entire share of the market. Contractually it can't go anywhere or be used. Make sure to thank them for it

Ailantd · #3 12-15-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Can't be done. The code is locked, sealed and hid away thanks to Jason/Loft. It was contingent on them accepting the deal. Obviously if the code was available, they wouldn't have the entire share of the market. Contractually it can't go anywhere or be used. Make sure to thank them for it

It's understandable. In any other case they would have not a chance.

zapatista · #4 12-15-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Can't be done. The code is locked, sealed and hid away thanks to Jason/Loft.

so my previous statement a few days ago that they were directly involved in killing off CoD was pretty much right

it smelled like it, bad news its actually true

SlipBall · #5 12-15-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Can't be done. The code is locked, sealed and hid away thanks to Jason/Loft. It was contingent on them accepting the deal. Obviously if the code was available, they wouldn't have the entire share of the market. Contractually it can't go anywhere or be used. Make sure to thank them for it

Bliss do you know if Loft is a yankee as Jason is?

adonys · #6 12-15-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Can't be done. The code is locked, sealed and hid away thanks to Jason/Loft. It was contingent on them accepting the deal. Obviously if the code was available, they wouldn't have the entire share of the market. Contractually it can't go anywhere or be used. Make sure to thank them for it

fro where do you know this? I mean, it's a pure speculation, or it's just something you're assuming (as could we all, and rightfully so, btw)..

zapatista · #7 12-15-2012, 02:39 PM

i think it is worth seeing what we could hypothetically raise to try and have the CoD project shut down in a more professional way.

the recent official patch was a massive leap forward, but there are some managerial and commercial obligation issues regarding the incomplete state CoD was abandoned in at such short notice, and the obligation 1C has to only cease work on it when it is provided to its customers in a reasonably finished state (or has made all reasonable efforts to do so). right now they sold one thing unfinished (forced decision), fixed 1/2 of it (great !), and then for commercial reasons chose to proceed to a next project (which on the surface looks very same, but under informed scrutiny is in fact a much inferior product), and they are now going to try and sell us gain the same product with different makeup (eg a ww2 aircraft sim under the name sturmovik). all this under the stated reason they abandoning the old CoD project under the excuse of "financial reasons".

if we can provide 1C with something like 50.000$ to pay a couple of programers 20.000$ each for 6 months dedicated work on further bug fixing of the new gfx engine just recently completed (and pay luthier 10.000$ to coordinate it for ex, which he could do part time), this could be done in order to "cease development of the CoD product when all reasonable efforts were made to complete it". if we offer to pay for that, and 1C only provides the office space and 2 or 3 pc's in equipment, one could argue they have an obligation to us the old customers that is greater then their obligation to the new recent agreement with the teflon dressed RoF crowd

but my post was not intended to go in that direction, it was more to raise the issue that with 100 people willing to put 500$ into this each, we could raise 50.000$ pretty quickly to try and get a few crucial elements of CoD finished. i suspect from the hard core dedicated members here we have probably 25 already. get a few gamers websites to do some new post post patch reviews which will be largely positive, and we could well find another 50 or 75 other people willing to commit the same. if we can raise that from individuals, maybe some other organization or sponsor could appear that matches the funds we raise. i dont see why 1C, who has to be concerned about its reputation, would refuse such a donation of money to then be able to wind down CoD in a more organized and responsible way

Jaws2002 · #8 12-15-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zapatista

i think it is worth seeing what we could hypothetically raise to try and have CoD in a more near-completed state.

the recent official patch was a massive leap forward, but there are some issues regarding the incomplete state CoD was released in, and the obligation 1C has to only cease work on it when it is provided to its customers in a reasonably finished state. right now they sold one thing unfinished, fixed 1/2 of it, and then for commercial reasons only chose to proceed to the next project to try and resell us again the same product with different makeup (eg a ww2 aircraft sim under the name sturmovik). and abandoning the old CoD project is done under the excuse of "financial reasons".

if we can provide 1C with something like 50.000$ to pay a couple of programers 20.000$ each and luthier 10.000$ to coordinate it, this could be done to "cease development of the CoD product when all reasonable efforts were made to complete it". one could argue they have an obligation to us the old customers that is greater then their new recent agreement with the teflon dressed RoF crowd

but my post was not intended to go in that direction, it was more to raise the issue that with 100 people willing to put 500$ into this each, we could raise 50.000$ pretty quickly to try and get a few crucial elements of CoD finished

You are pretty desperate for a silly game. Go buy some emergency supplies for that money. It could save your life down the road.

swiss · #9 12-15-2012, 02:54 PM

Why do you try to raise money to buy something of which you don't even know if this good is available at all?

Jaws2002 · #10 12-15-2012, 02:42 PM

I'm not surprised they don't want CLOD engine out. If somebody bought the rights for this game and fixed it, it would be the end of the 1C/777 new project.

They don't want that. I also understand why Jasson and Loft didn't want to do the next project on the CLOD engine. It would mean abandoning the ROF community and frankly, why would they do that?

They may go back to something evolved out of CLOD engine at some point, when people don't want to pay for the old ROF engine. We'll see.

This are just games anyway. I won't loose any sleep over this. Based on how world's economies are going, if two three years from now I can still afford a computer and internet connection, I'll be happy.