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Old 11-12-2012, 10:55 PM
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Default WOtif Hitler had NOT attacked Russia

.. and the non-aggression pact turned into an alliance, could Germany and Russia sold planes to each other? ie Stuka replacement might be a ground-attack IL2 ? Russia flying 109Gs ? more development of jet aircraft ? He 111s with red stars ?

Poor Britain! Spits , Hurris, Wellingtons V all the best Germany and the Soviet union could throw at her!

would have been very difficult for the US to enter the war in Europe although Pacific theatre would get more attention, IF japan still attacked Pearl Harbour.

Makes you think, we could easily be living under dictatorships in the west!

scary!

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:05 PM
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Makes you think, we could easily be living under dictatorships in the west!

scary!

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:13 PM
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What if's are good.

IF Hitler had been sane then he could have developed economic poliocies to bring Germany out of their depression and they could have become an economic power without draging the world into massive conflict and the loss of so much life.

It's a pitty that his grip on power was based on fear, violence and the lie that it was always other people who were to blame for their problems.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:23 PM
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What if Hitler had not invaded Poland, and just re-occupied the Polish corridor from Danzig to Konigsberg, leaving Russia to invade Poland from the East?

The British and French in an alliance with Germany declare war on Russia?
no Western Theatre, The Russians would have been smashed and Stalin sues for peace, abandoning Moskow and retreating to the Urals.

History rewritten,

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Old 11-13-2012, 04:02 AM
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What if's are good.

IF Hitler had been sane then he could have developed economic poliocies to bring Germany out of their depression and they could have become an economic power without draging the world into massive conflict and the loss of so much life.

It's a pitty that his grip on power was based on fear, violence and the lie that it was always other people who were to blame for their problems.
He was and did, as soon as the war started, unemployment around europe vanished overnight. Actually unemployment vanished in Germany before the outbreak of war.

You would need to be superman to solve a world wide great depression with just keynesian economics .. or any legal economic theory for that matter.

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Old 11-13-2012, 04:07 AM
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Oh good, another one of these threads.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:46 AM
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Impossible "What if" Scenario" he already wrote that he will gain "Living space in the east" when he wrote "Mein Kampf" wayback in Jail in Landsberg 1924.
No way that such a "What if" scenario ever would have happenend.
Read that crapbook and you will find a timeline for the later war including the final solution, the Anschluss of Austria etc.
The only things he didin't expect was France and the Empire to fight for Poland and that he had to declare war against the USA because of his treaty with the Japanese.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:49 AM
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What if, Hitler was actually assassinated before it all?
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:51 PM
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Makes you think, we could easily be living under dictatorships in the west!

scary!
Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:27 PM
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Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator

The classical definition of fascism does not require a dictatorship merely patriotism, nationalism and authoritarianism.

Classical fascism was a Nationalistic state where patriotism was encouraged and the welfare of the nation was placed above that of individuals. Where necessary this was enforced by authoritarian measures.

A particular feature of NSDAP fascism was the view that capitalism was a bad thing and corporate power a threat to the well being of the state.

The US on the other hand is moving towards a situation where corporate well being is valued above that of both the individual and the nation itself. Though this is clearly undesirable it is also clearly not fascism.
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