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Old 05-09-2012, 02:23 AM
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Default Damage Model issue?

I guess this belongs in this section but it may have already been brought up.

I've been flying offline almost exclusively since buying CloD, but recently I started flying online (not using new beta patch). With practice I finally started to win dogfights, (spit flying against 109s). after about a dozen or so kills over the last week I have noticed a very odd bug.

almost every time I manage to get a good deflection shot on a 109, I'm able to make it 'explode' with a great fireball, however EVERY time it happens online, the 109 continues to dogfight seemingly without any mechanical damage being sustained. the first couple times its happened I would disengage thinking the plane was destroyed, but now I follow the 109 and continue to attack it completely ignoring the meaningless 'fireworks show'....


Offline when i manage to get a 109 to 'brew up' the AI pilot immediately goes into bail-out mode, or causes a pilot kill, or complete of loses control.

Again this happens to me only online and against AI pilots as well as human.

is anyone else experiencing this bug?

the whole thing is completely off anyway, this giant fireball should be accompanied by some kind of fuselage structural failure... not just a ball of flame... its a very confusing damage animation and needs an overhaul from the devs.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:55 AM
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I noticed this a few weeks ago

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31650

I assume the AI 109 pilots realise they shouldn't stay with their aircraft after it explodes.
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:18 AM
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well it doesnt seem to be just a AI issue as the online AI reacts differently than offline.

it seems when online the fireball means nothing in terms of damage. there also seems to be two types of fireballs... ones that just expand from the middle of the plane then dissipate immediately leaving no visible damage to the plane... the other seems to be a fireball that creates a flame trail coming from the engine cowling that lasts for a few seconds then goes away. Offline, these animations seem to have no effect on the planes performance.

has anyone else noticed this from other planes? I have only seen it happen to 109s
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:34 AM
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Online if you blow up a 109's fuel tank, they will run out of fuel within a minute or less and the engine will stop. In a few cases, I have seen where the fire spreads to the cockpit area and the pilot is forced to bail or die.

I have seen the same thing occur with Hurricane wing tanks. Large explosion, plane continues on.
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Old 05-09-2012, 01:50 PM
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It's a bug. The fuel tank "explodes" but doesn't damage the aircraft.
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:59 PM
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It's a bug. The fuel tank "explodes" but doesn't damage the aircraft.
well at least its been noted...

its funny now, but i was absolutely crushed and shocked after the first time it happened.. I was so thrilled at my apparent 'skilled' deflection shot, only to be completely dumbfounded to see the 109 wheeling back around to get on my six after I banked away
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:09 PM
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It's a bug. The fuel tank "explodes" but doesn't damage the aircraft.
i think that in itself is a bug. fuel tank explosions are EXTREMELY rare. Because certain conditions must exist for explosive combustion inside a tank. Generally With a tank full, It will not happen. Sure, It will Burn like heck but it won't go boom, because fuel in itself does not explode, but the VAPOR does. Hence why if there is little to no vapor it will not burn. Gasoline, for example in it's purely liquid state does not burn, however the Fumes evaporating do, and burn very well they do. But burning does not equal an explosion. Even when an incendiary bullet or heat source enters the tank, there is a very small and fleeting window (trust me NASA didn't even know for sure when they researched if for the TWA flight 800 explosion) where the tank has the proper vapor pressure, volume, heat and fuel to air mixture to detonate.

As far as I can tell for their reports this combination of events must happen:
-Tank must be nearly empty
-Tank must be heated
-Tank must have proper Fuel/Air Ratio
-Tank must have the proper pressure
-Tank must be exposed to a properly powerful ignition source

All these add up to a pretty specific and rare event.
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:18 AM
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It is a well known Bf109 bug.

The rear tank explodes too easily (it had armored plating AFAIK) and when it does, it makes nice fireball but no damage.
The only thing it does is to make the plane lose most of its fuel (as pilot, you see the sudden drop in available fuel). If you were flying low on fuel, after the explosion, your engine will stop, out of fuel...).

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