Is anyone level bombing in the HE-111?

jimbop · #1 02-01-2012, 05:40 AM

Is anyone successfully level bombing in the HE-111? I am having what I think is a peculiar problem although please correct me if this is a feature rather than a bug.

When I select a single bomb in the salvo I actually have two drop from the aircraft: once when the automated sight reaches the horizontal bar (at 270 degrees) and another at the bottom. I initially thought the sight was just way out of altitude alignment since I only noticed the second impact. Got puzzled about the missing bomb, though!

Is this normal behaviour?

Anyway, the first is pretty much on target but the second release is miles off. See the below vid for my final run. I have 8 x 250 lb loaded and did not correct for altitude (i.e. how far above sea level the target position was). This would easily account for the relatively small miss on the first release:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoVuEMyAZXc

(Use desktop browser to see the annotations and 1080 to see the dials if you feel like the wait.)

Thanks to Blackdog_kt's post in this thread for getting me this far and note that there are threads addressing HE-111 bugs here at ATAG and here at 1C.

justme262 · #2 02-01-2012, 07:49 AM

I've never noticed this but I've only used the He111 in salvo mode, dropping a series of 50kg across an airfield. It seemed to work fine in salvo mode.

jimbop · #3 02-01-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by justme262

I've never noticed this but I've only used the He111 in salvo mode, dropping a series of 50kg across an airfield. It seemed to work fine in salvo mode.

Thanks. Are you accurate?

I have confirmed that this occurs with other loadouts now. Your programmed salvo will drop once on target and again when the automated sight reaches the bottom. Obviously no effect if you drop everything at once.

Jaws2002 · #4 02-01-2012, 04:02 PM

ATAG_Keller usually takes out the entire target with one single drop with the He-111.

He may figure out the problem. He knows that kite.

I only tried level bombing few times and my bombs dropped when the sight reached the vertical not at the angle it had to. So I gave up for now.

Keller is at the center of the Blitzkrieg in ATAG server.

Last night we rolled two maps in two hours.

Good times.

ATAG_MajorBorris · #5 02-01-2012, 07:22 PM

Blue is realy starting to get some great bomber sorties on the ATAG server, once we can go in formation its going to be a blast!

jimbop · #6 02-01-2012, 10:47 PM

Thanks Jaws, I'm discussing with Keller on ATAG here and he is getting the same behaviour. Chalk up another bug methinks.

This thing is lethal when used right! And poor reds are stuck with only the Blenheim...

justme262 · #7 02-01-2012, 11:15 PM

I never noticed this was happening.
I usually hit the target using the salvo mode but I aim before the target so the spread will cover any error I introduced with my entries in the bomb sight.

I would love to fly a bomber mission with a formation of real virtual pilots!
I like the HE 111 casue you can look at the bomb sight as you are programming it. For some reason the Ju88 bombardier view is restricted and you can't look at down at the bomb sight which is quite annoying.

I've never tried real pinpoint accuracy but I have no trouble dropping a salvo of 250kg bombs across a radar antennae from 3000m and destroying it... unless I forget to arm the bombs.

jimbop · #8 02-01-2012, 11:23 PM

Ha, my usual trick is forgetting to open the bomb bay doors! Do you use the indicated airspeed for sight velocity or convert to TAS?

justme262 · #9 02-01-2012, 11:51 PM

I use both the IAS and the altimeter on the bomb site and add maybe 20 or 30 km/h depending on altitude. The higher my altitude and airspeed the more I add. Then I test the cross air on a land mark and fine tune the airspeed and altitude setting till the cross air tracks a land mark reasonable well. I don't even try to get it perfect.

I use salvo mode and increase the series number to be all the bombs and add a series delay . I assume the series delay is the distance between successive bombs hitting the ground in meters. As opposed to the distance of the whole series combined . But I could be wrong.

KG26_Alpha · #10 02-02-2012, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbop

Is anyone successfully level bombing in the HE-111? I am having what I think is a peculiar problem although please correct me if this is a feature rather than a bug.

When I select a single bomb in the salvo I actually have two drop from the aircraft: once when the automated sight reaches the horizontal bar (at 270 degrees) and another at the bottom. I initially thought the sight was just way out of altitude alignment since I only noticed the second impact. Got puzzled about the missing bomb, though!

Is this normal behaviour?

Anyway, the first is pretty much on target but the second release is miles off. See the below vid for my final run. I have 8 x 250 lb loaded and did not correct for altitude (i.e. how far above sea level the target position was). This would easily account for the relatively small miss on the first release:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoVuEMyAZXc

(Use desktop browser to see the annotations and 1080 to see the dials if you feel like the wait.)

Thanks to Blackdog_kt's post in this thread for getting me this far and note that there are threads addressing HE-111 bugs here at ATAG and here at 1C.

The "bombsite automation" if left on will do what your experiencing.

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