Warm Up Times of Radial Engines.

ElAurens · #1 11-05-2011, 02:19 PM

Assuming that once aircraft FMs are adjusted, I am having difficulty seeing any radial engined aircraft being used online much, except by AIs. Why? Because in reality, even in warm climates, a large radial can take up to half an hour to properly warm up, whereas the water cooled engines can be gotten off the ground in considerably shorter time.

Here we run up against one of the issues of total realism vs. enjoyment of the title. I know that the offline crowd will have no issue here, but my focus is for online. And I dare add that the reality of radial engined aircraft operations is such that no pilot would go out to a stone cold aircraft at the start of a mission, as it would have been warmed up by the ground crew, then possible even have the fuel topped off before the actual mission start time.

So how do we put the radial engined aircraft into the sim and maintain some sort of usability for them? This will be even more critical as we move forward in time with the series,and more and more radial types come into play with all sides.

Will say online wars have to have a half hour earlier start time just for those flying radial engined craft? None of us have all day to fly the sim you know.

BP_Tailspin · #2 11-05-2011, 02:27 PM

In a war time environment ALL aircraft would have been warmed up by ground crew before the sun was even on the horizon and kept warm throughout the day.

addman · #3 11-05-2011, 03:29 PM

How about an extra switch in the Realism options menu called "Warm start" which let all planes warm up quickly while still maintaining the start-up procedures and CEM? It doesn't get much simpler then that, gives the option to those inclined to prefer it.

BP_Tailspin · #4 11-05-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by addman

How about an extra switch in the Realism options menu called "Warm start" which let all planes warm up quickly while still maintaining the start-up procedures and CEM? It doesn't get much simpler then that, gives the option to those inclined to prefer it.

This type of logic is sure to get you banned.

addman · #5 11-05-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BP_Tailspin

This type of logic is sure to get you banned.

LOL! yeah, I try to seem a bit ignorant sometimes so I don't get banned. It's a fine balance.

#6 11-05-2011, 03:44 PM

I don't know about radial engines.

For fighters warming the engine never has bothered me as during warm up time I do all the things preparing for flight and usually it is quickly warm.

But I agree just get an option engine warmed up in the difficulties setting would satisfy all I think.

ElAurens · #7 11-05-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

I don't know about radial engines.

For fighters warming the engine never has bothered me as during warm up time I do all the things preparing for flight and usually it is quickly warm.

But I agree just get an option engine warmed up in the difficulties setting would satisfy all I think.

I actually enjoy the warm up phase of the inline engines. It does add to the immersive experience without causing undue frustration. Also gives time to adjust the compass and gun sight. However sitting there for half an hour waiting for the G50 or Blenheim to warm up is really not cutting it at all.

addman · #8 11-05-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

I actually enjoy the warm up phase of the inline engines. It does add to the immersive experience without causing undue frustration. Also gives time to adjust the compass and gun sight. However sitting there for half an hour waiting for the G50 or Blenheim to warm up is really not cutting it at all.

Half an hour to warm up a G.50?! Don't know how you do it but for me it takes 3-4 minutes tops.

T}{OR · #9 11-06-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by addman

How about an extra switch in the Realism options menu called "Warm start" which let all planes warm up quickly while still maintaining the start-up procedures and CEM? It doesn't get much simpler then that, gives the option to those inclined to prefer it.

RoF has it. And all servers (I've flown on) use it. A good idea IMO for CloD as well. But somehow I like it better in CloD...

nearmiss · #10 11-06-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by addman

How about an extra switch in the Realism options menu called "Warm start" which let all planes warm up quickly while still maintaining the start-up procedures and CEM? It doesn't get much simpler then that, gives the option to those inclined to prefer it.

OH my... I hated all the start up procedures for flying Falcon.

When you fly the real thing, you have to deal with real world. When you fly a virtual aircraft... YOU ARE PRETENDING. Why not just pretend like an 8 year old kid does and by pass all whoopla associated with a real world warmup. I don't care how far you go with a virtual cockpit you'll never get full real until you ARE FULL REAL.

I don't want all the complications of real flying in a virtual air combat. I prefer the WW2 air combat, because the planes were fast and powerful enough, yet you still need combat skills. The fast movers knocking down enemies at 22 miles away, etc. Just doesn't make sense for enjoyment.

Don't get me wrong. I am for flight simulator experience as you like it. Oleg has clickable cockpits for the people that think that is feeling of full real. LOL

I just can't forget I'm in my office sitting at my desk facing a monitor and holding a joystick designed for that environment.

Heck... I am not even strapped in. Most of the time I'm half reclining in my big old leather chair.

I have a CH Products MFP programmable keyboard. I set everything to as few buttons possible and circumvent all the complications. Yes, I know the complications well enough. What is my excuse. I work consistently with the computer, and what little time I have is so small for flying IL2 or COD. If I get on for 2 hours a week I feel fortunate. Too much to do and too little time to do it.

I sure as heck am not going to sit in front of the screen like some darn dummy and let a computer program manage my time and life waiting for a virtual engine to warm up. I'll sit there a few seconds, after that something better happen.
Anyone that would wait on such a thing is idea candidate for Pochinko the dullest most boring game ever invented. LOL I cannot for any logical reason understand how anyone can sit an watch that ball drop and bounce redundantly for hours and hours and enjoy it.

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