The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[Fighterace]

Hello my fellow Il-2 players.

Lately i've been trying to get my head around this Northrop Grumman issue as to "How and why" there is limitations imposed on this game as to what can and cant be available in a plain and simple flight sim.

I'm a big fan of WW2 aircraft as a good majority of players on here are and one thing id like to wish for is to fly a F7F Tigercat, P-61 and etc in Il-2 but We can't because a big aviation company say no for some BS reason and it really, really is frustrating to adhere too.

Anyways...My question is this. Is there any possible way that NG can allow IC/Maddox games to be allowed to make these limitations be lifted by at least a petition or something. I mean with Team Daidalos improving this game with every patch they are technically not selling this product so you would think putting in, lets say a P-61, in this game but not selling it on a CD it must comply within NG's rules and etc.

Well, that is my rant for this topic and iif I'm wrong in anything I aplogise in advance as i have a small understanding as to what is going on.

If any Moderators or Admin feel it is necessary to remove this topic I totally understand and i have no intention of spamming this forum.

Thanks for your time and understanding

Nathan aka "Fighterace"

[Xilon_x]

northrop Grumman, and the 'American?
at this point whether the northrop Grumman puts limitations to IL-2 Sturmovik I prohibit the sale of game in the U.S.
because in u.s.a. play whit italian airplane or german secret airplane and swastica is proibited?
mmmmmmm incredible confusion we live in the 2011 and the nation of the world are stupid and have this stupid rules.
EXAMPLE in future ALENIA AEREMACCHI proibisced the publication of macchi in the game is ridicle.

[CWMV]

You can't blame them for wanting compensation for using their creations. But if you really want these planes they are available in the mod community or are being worked on as we speak.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by CWMV

You can't blame them for wanting compensation for using their creations. But if you really want these planes they are available in the mod community or are being worked on as we speak.

Sure we can! 70 year old airplanes that the current company had no hand in designing (aside from the obvious Grumman examples) that were funded by war bonds and government money (effectively therefore in the public domain) ... should be in the public domain.

But that's an argument for lawyers

For all of the arguments about the Northrup Grumman thing there are a dozen other aircraft by manufacturers that aren't so insanely monetarily inclined.

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Sure we can! 70 year old airplanes that the current company had no hand in designing (aside from the obvious Grumman examples) that were funded by war bonds and government money (effectively therefore in the public domain) ... should be in the public domain.

But that's an argument for lawyers

For all of the arguments about the Northrup Grumman thing there are a dozen other aircraft by manufacturers that aren't so insanely monetarily inclined.

So...what can we do anything about it? Or do we just have to suck it u and move on???

[Xilon_x]

american northrop grumman mantein a secret of construction and production of military airplane? hahahahahahah very very stupid but this airplane are old 80 years ago not have a secret. now today any nation product another type of airplane yes 6 generation of airplane yes 6 generation stealt airpane uav and drone.
ok ok i am italian i not have a secret military this is a new italian military secret airplane.(prototype by ALENIA) SKY-X and SKY-Y.




NEURON

AERMACCHI 346

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

So...what can we do anything about it? Or do we just have to suck it u and move on???

Basically.

There's no chance of their being significant political clout to strike this down at the high level and none of us are stinking rich (and I don't even live in the right country) enough to mount a legal challenge that would bring this down. They did the same thing to plastic model makers. I believe it was eventually struck down... but because there is presumably a legally binding agreement in place (I only know of it unofficially) there isn't anything to be done.

So... yep we have to suck it up and move along. It's a shame. But at least there are some other types of aircraft that we could have instead. It's not a substitute either but at least it's not a total dead end all around.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by CWMV

You can't blame them for wanting compensation for using their creations.

O REALLY ?? so i guess when an artist draws something, the artist has to pay what ever they drew off??? i guess all those artists who specialize in aircraft have to pay a fortune to the companies those aircraft...

seriously the OP is right these are stupid rules CREATED by lawyers to give their lawyer buddies more jobs (some lawyers and attorneys are on record saying this).....i dont see why a russian company has to follow these rules if i was them i would say F U americans....people will still be able to get this game...digital download or simply order it online....i mean its not like they will send in us troops or go to war over this...i guess i should follow all the laws of other countries too...

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by tk471138

i guess i should follow all the laws of other countries too...

That's the plan. Copyright first, the rest to follow. Heard of ACTA?

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

That's the plan. Copyright first, the rest to follow. Heard of ACTA?

sorry international law does not apply to me....the constitution apply to me not some garbage treaty that the federal government signs it self into...i could care less for international law that seeks to undermine the constitutional rights of the citizens of the united states and natural rights of those in the rest of the world...no one is getting hurt in the action of IL2 being able to use certain planes...they are pieces of ART...how about every time you take a picture a certain object should you now owe the creator....say you are at a plane show, and you take a picture of a certain plane...should you now owe the manufacture money...and even then some ridiculous amount....

pretty soon every time you upload on you tube some clip of some tv show or music its going to be taken down or even worse you will be arrested and given some crazy fine....thats where this is headed...