Just when you think you've got the hang of it...

[Raven Morpheus]

Hey all

Ever have one of those days (or weeks in my case) where you think you've grasped whatever it is you've been grappling with for days, weeks, months, years, and then it all just falls to pieces?

Well that's how I'm feeling about IL2 at the moment.

I've just been playing through a handful of the campaigns I'm currently running, doing 1 mission of each at a time, and I've just done mission 4 of Facing the Wind, mission 4 of 4 days in June (Battle of Midway campaign), I'm on mission 3 (or 4) of Dust Devils (P38 North Africa campaign) having tried and failed it. I'm also doing a Wake Island DGEN campaign, I'll get to that in a minute...

My Facing the Wind mission saw me not doing too badly until it came to land, but I caught the wire and it bounced me onto the carrier deck and obviously the prop and undercarriage were totaled. My 4 days in June battle saw me and half a dozen other F4F's swamped by the Japanese air fleet (as per real life) and I ended up shooting a B5N until it was smoking with black smoke but I didn't get the kill (seemingly AI can fly planes that have no engine running!!!!), and I was forced down with aileron damage and barely managed to crash land, luckily I bailed on the ground just before the plane exploded!

The Dust Devils mission I'm stuck on was going fine right till the end, where upon getting back to the airfield I was notified there's "bandits at 9 o'clock" - I've just landed and so of course I have to take off again. Then my screen goes all black and I have to switch to F2 view but end up crashing into a mountain!!

Then there's the aforementioned Wake Island DGEN campaign I just started. 1st mission. 40 enemy fighters vs 2 F4F's! WTF!!!! Seriously?! Outnumbered 20-1 what are you supposed to do other than what I did which was get turned into Swiss cheese and forced into landing!?!

It's bad enough that I still can't nail landing 100% (I've spent the last couple of days in QMB doing some takeoff/landing practice in a F4U-1D and seemingly bouncing off carrier decks, bouncing off Midway's runway and crashing all the time, until tonight I finally managed to nail a landing on Midway), but all of the above has just ruined my enjoyment of IL2! It's just not fun when you spend your time either getting shot to pieces and/or crashing!!

[RPS69]

He He He! Landing at the start could be tricky. Landing on a carrier is always a challenge. Pick an IL-2 or a hurricane, and learn your way on landing approachs with those aircraft first.

Corsair are landing nightmares, so learn to land before with nice to handle aircraft.

Also, if your enemy crahs lands after your plane exploded, kill is not awarded. Dead pilots can't clame kills. The historical bug is that exploded planes, with pilots alive do clame their kills!

[MaxGunz]

If you're going to be switching planes like clothes then don't expect to be so competitive with any of them.

To get landings down, make a full mission that sets you up pre-approach and replay it until you've got it down to reflexes. Then later on you fly to that approach and make good landings. Pacific Fighters has just such a mission to practice carrier landings. IRL pilots will do touch and go as a real form of that.

If you get even half serious, you can get pretty good at IL-2.

[Raven Morpheus]

I tend to practice with the F4U on Midway. I had, or so I thought, gotten landings down pretty well, at least I had when I was using my Saitek X45 stick. But just recently, especially since moving to my Saitek X52 Pro, I can't seem to land the F4U on Midway most of the time. Problem is if I go back to using my Saitek X45 (to see if it is the stick that is making the difference) I can't use the throttle block because it's got a dodgy connection (well the connection in the joystick block is dodgy, but still means I can't reliably use the throttle block), thus if I go with the throttle from my X52 Pro and the stick from my X45 I lose the 3 modes function (the X45 has the modes button on the throttle block, and the X52 Pro has it on the stick!!)

Midway, apart from the fact it's a short runway, is actually quite a good test map for landings in my opinion, because you can take off, then circle around to the left, getting up to >200mph in the F4U, and cross the tip of the 2nd island (which is on your left) and be fairly well lined up with the runway and at about 180mph.

As for being "competitive" with a single plane - I defy anyone to be "competitive" with 20-1 odds! Or if for some reason your screen goes black (not a blackout btw) and you have to switch to another view whilst unknowingly heading for the side of a mountain!?!


Anyhow I tend to find that IL2 becomes boring after a while if I just stick to 1 plane, however the missions I played the other night just really were not enjoyable and have to some extent put me off IL2 for the moment.

The very fact that the B5N I caused to vent black smoke, and whilst I was watching it, after I had been forced down, had a prop that wasn't even moving, but was still flying perfectly fine is also very annoying - that should have been a kill but the plane was still flying in formation as though it was indestructible!?!

[MaxGunz]

Sorry to hear about the stick problems. I guess you worked on the sensitivity sliders but how about filter on the pitch axis?

If it's a wonky stick then the red and green squares on the sensitivity screen should show where that happens. It's funny what we put up with when we don't know.

I have a regular X52 twisty stick. The twist doesn't always center. Is the X45 a twisty? I've heard the X45 rudder is a rocker.

Otherwise these are my best landing tips:

Are you approaching at 100% rpm and low power? It's a great way to almost hang in the air as well as lose alt without so much speed gain. You can set your rise or drop rate via throttle right down to near stall.

If you're having the roll over and die just over the runway problem then use rudder instead of side stick to correct roll. Don't wait for the ball, act proportional to wings against the horizon, rudder away from the dropping wing. If you land fast enough to use ailerons then you're going too fast.

[IceFire]

Glad you're trying out Facing the Wind! It's been a while since I put that together but it was a lot of fun and yes I destroyed quite a few F4U's building the campaign... took me a long while to get the hang of carrier landings. I'm not sure if I'll ever have a complete success rate.

Some days it seems like you have it and then, like you say, nothing works