Great documentary about the Battle of Britain

[Phantom77]

I've found this on youtube and I must say that's bring another view about the Battle of Britain. 109 Vs Spitfire , pilots interviews , bring a bit more about the german side of the story.

Enjoy !


http://youtu.be/A8FsRU0fv_A

[SDT_longshot]

that was brilliant to watch thank you

makes you realise how amazing the battle really was

[Jughead Jones]

Thanks for posting this good view.

[W0ef]

Very nice find! Thanks for linking this.

[Hellbender]

In that documentary they say the 109 could out-turn and out-run ("They could hit us as they wanted and get away with it every time they wanted") the Spitfire. That doesn´t somehow match with my experience in the game.

[Phantom77]

Your welcome ! I know that both pilots agree to say that the 109 was superior but at the same time that doesn't mean that's a fact ( based on 2 opinions). I think flying experience and talent may be the decisive factor. The German pilot has flown 109 since 1938 and the british was 21 and may have limited experience then. I think that Goering's dumb decision to have 109's escort bombers may have exposed them as sitting duck. Lot's of variables to deal with. The game is trying to get things right , give it time I think we gonna have a run for our money ( Even now I really enjoy it ) !

[BlackbusheFlyer]

Originally Posted by Hellbender

In that documentary they say the 109 could out-turn and out-run ("They could hit us as they wanted and get away with it every time they wanted") the Spitfire. That doesn´t somehow match with my experience in the game.

That is not out turn. The point he is making is the 109's could out dive the spitfire which meant they could bounce and run. They nearly always had the height advantage due to their longer climbing time. The 109 could not keep with a spitfire in turns as is well documented. One if the key advantages of the spitfire over the 109 was touched on in the film but about the S boat. The Germans made technically superb weapons. But in many respects this was their undoing. Take the tiger tank against the Sherman or the Churchill, far superior. However they could have made 20 simplier and more fuel efficient tanks for every single tiger. There is a great example of a jagdpanther sitting in the imperial war museum London. It was taken out by a single shell in the rear by a much weaker Cromwell tank who simply flanked it.

In the case of the 109, it was difficult to fly particularly for low hours pilots. This made them easier prey to the RAF who's pilots did not have to fight the aircraft as well as their opponent.

[seiseki]

Originally Posted by Hellbender

In that documentary they say the 109 could out-turn and out-run ("They could hit us as they wanted and get away with it every time they wanted") the Spitfire. That doesn´t somehow match with my experience in the game.

I didn't hear anything about out turning..

But the facts were, it could out dive out run and out gun the spitfire..

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Hellbender

In that documentary they say the 109 could out-turn and out-run ("They could hit us as they wanted and get away with it every time they wanted") the Spitfire. That doesn´t somehow match with my experience in the game.

There's no point in that documentary where it says the 109 could out-turn the Spit. This documentary was on uk tv some months back. Tom Neal who was commenting about the 109s being able to hit the British and escape when they wanted was largely being modest. If it really was as simple as that, Tom Neal would have died, and the Germans would have shot down more than they lost, but the reverse is true.