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10-20-2009, 11:49 AM
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New Saitek released
A more complicated choice for those who are abot to buy a new Hotas...
Saitek released the X 65 http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x65f.htm
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10-20-2009, 12:27 PM
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PS: and now we have two gayish annoyin pinkie switches Last edited by Tvrdi; 10-20-2009 at 12:29 PM.
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10-20-2009, 12:38 PM
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It looked very nice on the first glance, but the stick is non-movable: It's force-sensitive.
But even with the F-16 designers noticed that pilots wanted moving sticks to have a feeling of what input they give to the controls, so I can't understand why you make a fixed stick for homeusers as a general design.  Thrustmaster is also releasing a new stick - it's a replique of the A-10 HOTAS. That's basically all info available, not even if it's designed after A-10A or A-10C, but it definitely sounds more promising than the X65f
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10-20-2009, 01:05 PM
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We only need a good throttle to put it next to our CH Fighterstick
 A CH throttle with rotaries 
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10-20-2009, 01:19 PM
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Maybe CH will pull even and release a new throttle as well?
 Thrustmaster will have an easy job, though. If they modell the HOTAS after the A-10C, they can keep the Cougar's stick and modify the old twin-throttle 
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10-20-2009, 01:59 PM
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I couldn't understand AT ALL how this force sensing system works.
Anyone here can name some aircraft that have this? If by "modern" they mean the F-35 and F-22, maybe they're right. Something I didn't liked: the design. Will Saitek ever release something that actually looks like a real aircraft's stick? Going a bit offtopic, if anyone ever releases a joystick replicating any MiG or Sukhoi stick, I would buy it. After a quick but exciting ride on the Su-30 simulator, I just loved that joystick. It takes a short while to get used to it, but after that, I fell in love with it !It has only everything on it. For those who don't have any idea about what I'm talking about, check this pic: http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/4...cockpitrq7.jpg And one big positive point (for me at least) on most Russian sticks: trim on the joystick. No rotaries or anything like that. It's much more practical (and improves your response) to set it with your thumb. You make it much quicker than when you have to use any rotary or something like that. You don't have to get your hands out of the throttle or the stick, just move the thumb and it's done.
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10-20-2009, 07:25 PM
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10-20-2009, 07:31 PM
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10-20-2009, 07:54 PM
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Saitek even made some surveys to find out what simulation fans were looking for - I honestly doubt the community demanded a force-sensitive stick in favour of e.g. a force-feedback stick. Well, no matter why they copied the mistake, from the customers and simulation-fans point of view, I'm glad the simulation genre get's so much attention again, that all main joystick-manufacturers developed new HOTAS. I hope CH will pull even - hopefully with a twin-throttle and some rotaries
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10-21-2009, 03:52 AM
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It's true that the first versions (Block 1, and maybe Block 5) of the F-16 had a side-stick that didn't move. I never flew them, but some of the pilot reports I read said that some guys were straining their forearms trying not to over-control. The solution General Dynamics introduced was to basically mount the stick in rubber bushings or washers, that allowed the stick to move a little bit (something I'd bet you could easily do to the X65 as well). The force tranducers were the same in both versions AFAIK, and provided full control input at 25 lb. of force. I was a little worried about adapting to the force sensing side-stick coming from the T-38, but after a couple of sims, my first flight was a non-event, at least from a flight control standpoint. The X65's twist rudder isn't something I'd like, but presumably you can lock it out and use pedals, like you can with the X52.
Saitek is braving new ground, at least for the brand-name manufacturers, but there are a couple of plusses. Without pots, there's nothing to wear out, and depending on what transducers they use and how they're calibrated, the X65 could be more accurate than the X52 with Hall sensors. "Modding" an X65 to move a bit like later Blocks of F-16 would (in theory at least) be a lot easier (and cheaper) than implementing the mod kits out there to convert the Cougar to a non-moving force-sensing stick. I know Viper_2005 has done this to his Cougar and likes it. FWIW, I think the X65 is based on the F-22 stick and throttle, and not on a unique layout like their earlier sticks. The force-feedback Logitech G940 looks interesting, too. The F-16 didn't have any force-feedback obviously, and I never felt deprived for its lack. Then again, I had seat-of-the-pants feedback, and didn't have to worry about pre-stall buffet, either. Financially challenged as I am, I'm still using my X52 for as long as it holds out. It's good to see the manufacturers continuing to develop new products though. Has anybody actually bought one of these things yet, or at least seen a review? I'd be curious to hear some hands-on reporting, especially since I doubt I'll be able to try one of these out at the local Best Buy anytime soon.
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