UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Rattlehead]

I've always found this an interesting topic, and usually pretty much everyone seems to have an opinion on whether UFO's and extra-terrestrials exist or not.

Do UFO's exist? Did something alien really crash at Roswell? Did something strange really land at Rendelsham Forest? (Sp?) Have aliens colonised this planet before? Have they visited? Are abductions real? Did the US government reverse-engineer alien technology and incorporate it into experimental airctraft?

Or are aliens and extra-terrestrial life forms nothing more than our modern-day fairies and goblins? Figments of wild imaginations and paranoia?

Discusions please.

[patrat1]

of course ets exist. the universe is so friggin immense its pretty much a given that theres litterlly millions of civilizations out there.


the bad news is that einstiens probaly right about faster than light travel. which means in effect, that all those civilizations are forever effectivly isolated from one another. the well known fermi paradox seeems to back this line of reasoning.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by patrat1

of course ets exist. the universe is so friggin immense its pretty much a given that theres litterlly millions of civilizations out there.


the bad news is that einstiens probaly right about faster than light travel. which means in effect, that all those civilizations are forever effectivly isolated from one another. the well known fermi paradox seeems to back this line of reasoning.

+1

Einstein's theory that we can't go faster than the speed of light in the conventional space as we have it now has apparently recently been confirmed by a Cambridge researcher, it's all about experimenting with new dimensions.

Maybe one day we will receive their radio waves, but either we haven't been able to decipher them again or they're still too far.

As for Unidentified Flying Object, yes, they exist for sure, let's not forget that they aren't necessarily related to alien life though.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

As for Unidentified Flying Object, yes, they exist for sure, let's not forget that they aren't necessarily related to alien life though.

Yeah, a distinction should be drawn between the two. A UFO doesn't neccessarily mean alien, just unidentified.

[TeeJay82]

well... we could not go through mountains until the tunnel was invented either right?

i bet there are more than 4 dimensions out there in space and one of em will have different rules for space time and matter...

subspace FTW!!

one day, im sure humanity will GTFO of this rock... unless we destroy ourselves due to greed before that happens

no smartass comments please im only a humble welder with my own oppinions

so if black holes can break the speed of light rule with gravity, so can we

[TheDawg]

I guy I grew up with- his dad was a B-52 jockey towards the end of the war- the first time a rocket propelled cannon platform came up thru their formation, took out a bomber and vanished, panic does NOT quite cover the hysteria that over took the entire groupe.
After debriefing none of the crews were allowed to talk about it, but they did, initially it was simply assumed the germans had some futuristic buck rogers rocketship type thing, maybe they had a base on the moon, the theorys were wild and speculative to say the least, but we were all doomed, lol.

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[Skoshi Tiger]

It all depends. If we live in an infinite universe, then everything that is possible exists so the answer is yes BUT if we live in a finite universe then there is a possiblity that we are alone.

I think that the reason we haven't met haven't met any ET's is that they saw us first and have put us on their ignore list.

Cheers!

[retrojet]

Originally Posted by TheDawg

I guy I grew up with- his dad was a B-52 jockey towards the end of the war- the first time a rocket propelled cannon platform came up thru their formation, took out a bomber and vanished, panic does NOT quite cover the hysteria that over took the entire groupe.
After debriefing none of the crews were allowed to talk about it, but they did, initially it was simply assumed the germans had some futuristic buck rogers rocketship type thing, maybe they had a base on the moon, the theorys were wild and speculative to say the least, but we were all doomed, lol.

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The B-52 would have been quite a surprise for the Germans, too!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Do UFO's exist? - Yes but they aren't alien
Did something alien really crash at Roswell? - No
Did something strange really land at Rendelsham Forest? - Maybe but not alien
Have aliens colonised this planet before? - No
Have they visited? - No
Are abductions real? - No
Did the US government reverse-engineer alien technology and incorporate it into experimental airctraft? - No

Or are aliens and extra-terrestrial life forms nothing more than our modern-day fairies and goblins? - Yes
Figments of wild imaginations and paranoia? - Yes

What Charvel just said plus;

Out of the millions of species on this planet, homo sapiens is unable to communicate in an intelligible way with any but their own species. Some might even debate that point.

Yet we seem to think we can communicate with so called 'alien life forms'. SETI? Ridiculous waste of time, money and brainpower. What are the chances of anything out there being at exactly the right point in its technological development to receive and/or respond to any electromagnetic signal? Out of the billions of years since the formation of the universe, the Human race has had radio technology for what, 110 years? Just seems a bit naive to me. Come to that, what if all alien life is vegetable or viral? Or pink elephants?

If life comes about so easily, then why is our entire solar system devoid of life but for here? They also spend untold amounts of cash going back to Mars again and again in the search for evidence of the potential for life in the past, present or future. It isn't there.
Then the theorists turn to a warm ocean under the ice of Europa as being the next inline for a visit. Then to Titan as being a future life bearing moon with its alternative life-friendly chemistry.

It all boils down to people being unable to accept that this is it. This is all there is. Life's a bitch and then you die etc.

Fairies and goblins is bang on.

Having said that, my bookshelves are full of science fiction. I love it, but that's what it is, fiction.

Blimey, I think I just had a bit of a rant. Sorry chaps!

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

What Charvel just said plus;

Out of the millions of species on this planet, homo sapiens is unable to communicate in an intelligible way with any but their own species. Some might even debate that point.

erm, we can have forms of basic communication with other animals actually.

Yet we seem to think we can communicate with so called 'alien life forms'. SETI? Ridiculous waste of time, money and brainpower. What are the chances of anything out there being at exactly the right point in its technological development to receive and/or respond to any electromagnetic signal? Out of the billions of years since the formation of the universe, the Human race has had radio technology for what, 110 years? Just seems a bit naive to me. Come to that, what if all alien life is vegetable or viral? Or pink elephants?

lol that's a bit generic man! Considering that the faster way of transmitting data that we have at the moment in space is light and radio waves, I reckon it's worth a try. Our first radio waves are roughly 80 light years away from our planet as we speak, not much, but it's a start.

If life comes about so easily, then why is our entire solar system devoid of life but for here? They also spend untold amounts of cash going back to Mars again and again in the search for evidence of the potential for life in the past, present or future. It isn't there.
Then the theorists turn to a warm ocean under the ice of Europa as being the next inline for a visit. Then to Titan as being a future life bearing moon with its alternative life-friendly chemistry.

it's all fascinating speculation, they're not gonna go nowhere anytime soon. If by 2030 they really make it to mars I'd be well impressed, not for the achievement per se, but because I expect modern society to fail way before that date.

It all boils down to people being unable to accept that this is it. This is all there is. Life's a bitch and then you die etc.

Fairies and goblins is bang on.

Having said that, my bookshelves are full of science fiction. I love it, but that's what it is, fiction.

it's obvious that our society is not ready for space exploration, simply because we can't live in peace on this planet as it is. But it's within human nature to ask questions: 1000 years ago they couldn't explain what a lightning is, so it was "god", now we have different horizons. You can't just sit back and relax, I find the research they do very fascinating, and worth spending more money than wars for sure.

Blimey, I think I just had a bit of a rant. Sorry chaps!

It's ok, it's friday, time to hit the pub me thinks!