1C wants to make money? Surely the original P-51, B-17 and Fw-190 'financial' sense?

Mysticpuma · #1 10-05-2012, 03:20 PM

Although I have been watching the progress of CloD and news now of BoM, what became apparent from Luthiers replies was that they need to make money.

Seriously I do understand the requests for early war aircraft (hence 1940's era CloD) but as they said it's hardly set their finances alight! This of course isn't just about the era but also the buggy game engine.

So now 1C wants wants to make money and surely by releasing popular aircraft they can bolster their finances while also using that money to continue creating arenas of combat like BoM?

This isn't about dismissing the earlier aircraft and areas of combat but by selling/adding 'popular' aircraft surely this would make 'financial' sense?

I wonder though if they realize that these aircraft will be financially popular and that is a reason not to let an aircraft SDK out as whoever made a late war aircraft 'pack' would most likely make a financial 'killing'?

The only reason I see not to endorse the release of late-war 'popular' aircraft is something is one i can't work out!

Cheers, MP

Winger · #2 10-05-2012, 03:29 PM

Well, i for my part am paying around 10-20 bucks per plane in ROF and i surely would also do here. Maybe even more. Pay by plane would definately be a way to make money bigtime.

I would preorder all german planes.

Winger

csThor · #3 10-05-2012, 03:31 PM

Honestly: coherent well rounded packages for a certain operation are IMO the only sensible way. We had way too much of the watering can in 1946 and before, no need to repeat old mistakes.

5./JG27.Farber · #4 10-05-2012, 03:40 PM

That makes no sense. Once they release the 44/45 stuff who is gonna wanna come back to 41? Most servers in IL2 1946 fb + pick a mod, hosted mid to late war stuff, Usually 44. It makes the most sense to follow chronological order!

Releasing the aircraft SDK would be financial suicide.

Just wait, it will all come in time.

Feathered_IV · #5 10-05-2012, 03:49 PM

Better to release aircraft chronologically. More exciting for each new release and each step in technology. Anyhow, Maddox games have not got the resources for an England to Germany map. Nor do we have the computers for it any time soon. The engine seems best suited to skirmishes between limited numbers of aircraft at medium altitude. I can't think of a game engine less suited to depicting the daylight bombing offensive.

LoBiSoMeM · #6 10-05-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

That makes no sense. Once they release the 44/45 stuff who is gonna wanna come back to 41? Most servers in IL2 1946 fb + pick a mod, hosted mid to late war stuff, Usually 44. It makes the most sense to follow chronological order!

I will...

Mysticpuma · #7 10-05-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

That makes no sense. Once they release the 44/45 stuff who is gonna wanna come back to 41?

Releasing the aircraft SDK would be financial suicide.

So by reading the first part of your reply, you actually agree with the point I am making? 44/45 is the 'popular' stuff where lots of interest and finances could be made from? The only reason that 41 wouldn't be revisited by players is because....it's not as popular as 44/45?

This makes me think that there is a little snobbery going on here, whereby the popular aircraft must not be released as who will play with us if they do that? Surely the popular aircraft are where the finances and revenue could be driven forward by 1C to create 'less' popular Theatres?

Releasing the Aircraft SDK would be financial brilliance! Surely? 3rd Party developer's make add-ons (like the Aces Expansion for IL2(although that was Maddox of-course)) and release them. 1C take a percentage of the revenue. If a pack is popular 1C make money, if not, they don't make a loss in development time, someone else does? Surely the more popular and attractive the Software looks to buy into, the more people will come aboard? Maybe the 190 vs 51 servers would be more popular..but that's because more people want to play on them rather than being 'forced' (uses term loosely) to fly aircraft they really don't want to because it's better that 1C only pander to the elite than the masses?

Feathered IV:

"Better to release aircraft chronologically. More exciting for each new release and each step in technology"

I'm really not disagreeing with anyone regarding what should be done and in what order, I'm merely making the point that 1C need to make money because if they don't then nothing will be developed? If the FW-190, P-51 and B-17 (I would like a P-47 and 109 in the mix too of-course) were brought into the series earlier, then these ARE popular. These would raise lots of revenue. With that revenue, you can guarantee further era's and theatre's of combat?

Playing Devil's Advocate, lets say the Russian Theatre of BoM is another troubled child. Again little revenue is raised, development stalls, no money comes in...will there be future development?

By bringing in the popular aircraft earlier, the money would come in (granted there would be issues and bugs to fix!).

I just don't see the validity of the argument that the earlier more 'elite' less popular aircraft need to be developed, as why should the aircraft that lots of (due to them being popular?) players would grab a chance to fly be given priority?

It seems like a case of "don't give the masses what they want as no-one will play with our early more difficult aircraft!"?

I know realistically it will make no difference as they will have a roadmap laid out (I hope), but I just wondered why, when money is the main driving incentive, 'popular' aircraft are not at the forefront of the development?

Krupi;

"A lot of people enjoy the "crap" planes"

and in fairness, why shouldn't they. It just seems odd that popular aircraft that would raise much needed revenue would be kept back in the hope of pleasing the few rather than the many?

Catseye:

"It would be interesting to see where most of their sales occur. Russia/Eastern Europe compared to Western Europe/North America.

Should it be that Eastern Europe have the largest edge here, it would seem that they are targeting that market with the next release for the best financial return."

Agreed, although we wont have access to the figures, it would be really interesting to see what percentage of Russians bought CloD and what percentage of the rest of the world will by BoM. I expect it would be much higher for BoM as all the CloD users want to play a working flight-sim, so the figures would be really skewed I feel.

Chivas:

"I seriously doubt they have the resources to build extra aircraft, especially at this critical time."

The only reason it's a critical time is because they obviously need to raise revenue....and wouldn't that happen with 'popular' aircraft and Theatres of war?

slm:

"Too bad. Because IMO Fw-190s, like P-51 models later, are those important planes that may get people to buy a sequel."

I agree but it seems popular Theatres and Aircraft are not the way to raise funds?

Alpha:

"P-51, B-17 and Fw-190

Cant think of anything more done to death and boring."

Done to death because they know it makes money and sells units?

slm:

"So if you could pick 2 planes from some era, which planes would get you to buy a game from 1c? If you think about the assumption of thread's title."

That is a very fair question too. The aircraft I mentioned in the thread title were an example of aircraft that would possibly raise large amounts of finances for 1C. For clarity if you disagree, I would appreciate hearing what aircraft you would consider 'MANY' players would buy? Please note I have to make the assumption that the graphics Engine, FM/DM and all the rest are working (

) but how many units do you think the original CloD sold with all it's issues? So imagine how much revenue would be raised from 'popular' aircraft?

All I'm doing is asking the question of how 1C could raise funds quickly, as stated by Luthier, finances are the major driving factor now and they want to make money. Releasing a Lysander make look great...but would it make people rush to buy the sequel? (I used the Lysander as an example only of an aircraft that certainly played a part in WW2, but would it get the masses to invest or do we need the P-51/47/38/109/190 and other later aircraft so that 1C can drive their revenue stream forward and make sure development of the earlier theatres can take place?

I'm here for the long haul. There is no other Sim that I want to succeed as much as the CloD series, it's just that without a revenue stream....there may be no other Theatres at-all?

Cheers, MP

KG26_Alpha · #8 10-05-2012, 08:20 PM

The Mediterranean theatre complete with correct aircraft shipping ground units & maps would be the next step after BoM that makes sense.

Simply bunging 3 planes and a map at customers isn't going to do anything for the series.

IMHO

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5./JG27.Farber · #9 10-06-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

So by reading the first part of your reply, you actually agree with the point I am making? 44/45 is the 'popular' stuff where lots of interest and finances could be made from? The only reason that 41 wouldn't be revisited by players is because....it's not as popular as 44/45?

This makes me think that there is a little snobbery going on here, whereby the popular aircraft must not be released as who will play with us if they do that? Surely the popular aircraft are where the finances and revenue could be driven forward by 1C to create 'less' popular Theatres?

Releasing the Aircraft SDK would be financial brilliance! Surely? 3rd Party developer's make add-ons (like the Aces Expansion for IL2(although that was Maddox of-course)) and release them. 1C take a percentage of the revenue. If a pack is popular 1C make money, if not, they don't make a loss in development time, someone else does? Surely the more popular and attractive the Software looks to buy into, the more people will come aboard? Maybe the 190 vs 51 servers would be more popular..but that's because more people want to play on them rather than being 'forced' (uses term loosely) to fly aircraft they really don't want to because it's better that 1C only pander to the elite than the masses?

No I dont agree with you. Its silly. Its nice to have the eary war stuff. Im sorry you beloved P51 isnt in the game yet, just wait it will be.

JG52Krupi · #10 10-05-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Winger

Well, i for my part am paying around 10-20 bucks per plane in ROF and i surely would also do here. Maybe even more. Pay by plane would definately be a way to make money bigtime.

I would preorder all german planes.

Winger

As much as I dislike the ROF

system its a thousand times better than an MMO

As far what they release goes, I agree with csThor and Farber.

A lot of people enjoy the "crap" planes