Interesting fw document

[Ala13_Kokakolo]

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

Interesting, it says in this article that sighting view from the FW was better than the Spit!

[KG26_Alpha]

Spit pilots landed in a long turning finals because of the poor forward visibility.

[vanderstok]

Thanks for the doc. You just made me an official "luftwhiner" !!!

Only last week I tested the Fw190A4 against Spit MkV and MkIX in the game with a buddy of mine and we reached somewhat different conclusions!

I''l now retreat to my fireproof bunker until this has blown over....

Let's forget about the climb/speed performance of the FW 190 in the game, enough has been said I think. However, this bit was new to me:

"It was found that if the Spitfire (V) was cruising at low speeds and was bounced it was easily caught even if the FW 190 was sighted well out of range"

Funny, in an online game I find this much harder. If the guy in the Spit (or other good turning fighter) sees you and starts a hard turn just in time I am never able to hit him. Anyone has some tips how to adjust your aim properly when you're in a 600 kph+ FW190 and your victim breaks hard?

[C6_Krasno]

If the Spit is slow, no matter how hard he breaks, he won't have enough speed to avoid your fire. You need to fire from far enough, and learn to fire when the Spit is "behind your panel", ie shoot him without seeing him. With 4 x 20mm, when you hit, the Spit suffers a lot !
That said, it can be quite hard to hit a good pilot.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by vanderstok

Thanks for the doc. You just made me an official "luftwhiner" !!!

Only last week I tested the Fw190A4 against Spit MkV and MkIX in the game with a buddy of mine and we reached somewhat different conclusions!

I''l now retreat to my fireproof bunker until this has blown over....

Let's forget about the climb/speed performance of the FW 190 in the game, enough has been said I think. However, this bit was new to me:

"It was found that if the Spitfire (V) was cruising at low speeds and was bounced it was easily caught even if the FW 190 was sighted well out of range"

Funny, in an online game I find this much harder. If the guy in the Spit (or other good turning fighter) sees you and starts a hard turn just in time I am never able to hit him. Anyone has some tips how to adjust your aim properly when you're in a 600 kph+ FW190 and your victim breaks hard?

The trick is don't be suckered into trying to shoot at him for more than a quick snap shot. Most of those guys will give you a full plan form of the plane that will give you a giant target to hit. The smart ones start their turn then level to you only giving that small profile.

I'm sure most know but in case you didn't you have a couple options... I usually go with a High Yo yo unless he starts to circle climb into me in which I will just extent and come back in when I have a better advantage. If he doesn't really see you... Go Low yo yo and keep your speed.

If he sees you and continues his turn which most nooblet spit guys do then attempt to stay out of that circle and cut the circle.

It's real easy to get suckered into a Turn with them and loose all your advantage.

2 options with a spit.

You control the fight with Speed and by seperation in the horizontal...

Or he controls the fight with Cornering and seperating in the vertical.

After a while you will get really good at deflection shooting because that's pretty much all you're afforded with an aware spit driver.

Love and Chicken Grease...

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by vanderstok

Only last week I tested the Fw190A4 against Spit MkV and MkIX in the game with a buddy of mine and we reached somewhat different conclusions!

Fight the pilot, not the plane.. you'll be surprised

[vanderstok]

Thanks for the tips guys. Me and my buddy started practising, with one in a spit, flying low and breaking hard as soon as the the other one in the FW starts to get close. It is indeed all about deflection shooting and when you're really close it is blind shooting. If the spit keeps his turn, then you can shoot him without seeing him, because you can (learn to) guess where he will be.

Another thing I learned: if you shoot too soon, you'll ruin your aim and with tracers and stuff you ruin your view as well. It is indeed better to wait until you know which way he will turn, then adjust lead and fire a quick burst. I think this gets better with practise and experience. Right now, on HL I'm just too nervous to actually do that . Luckily, the FW 190 has immense firepower which makes it easier....

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by vanderstok

Thanks for the tips guys. Me and my buddy started practising, with one in a spit, flying low and breaking hard as soon as the the other one in the FW starts to get close. It is indeed all about deflection shooting and when you're really close it is blind shooting. If the spit keeps his turn, then you can shoot him without seeing him, because you can (learn to) guess where he will be.

Another thing I learned: if you shoot too soon, you'll ruin your aim and with tracers and stuff you ruin your view as well. It is indeed better to wait until you know which way he will turn, then adjust lead and fire a quick burst. I think this gets better with practise and experience. Right now, on HL I'm just too nervous to actually do that . Luckily, the FW 190 has immense firepower which makes it easier....

Shoot anyways... Don't be afraid to use your ammo you have a ton of it. Always take a shot if it looks good.

You aren't going to get very many chances with an Aware Spit. Tracking shots and suchs are rare.

Deflection shooting and Snap Shots is what you need to get good at with the FW.

Dead horse I know but don't get suckered into a turn more than 90 degrees. Keep on driving out of his turn circle for enough seperation to come back in. Any fool Spit driver that wants to go head to head with a FW is a welcome in my book to get a face full of cannon fire.

Which brings up another point. Get used to head ons. Spits can force a neutral fight but given your amazing firepower don't be afraid and don't forget to pull out in time.

Learn to Yo Yo.... Stay away from Vertical Manuevers with him. He has the advantage. Diving and using your superior Roll is how you beat him.

And you best bet is to bounce him. It's not uncommon to dive 600kmh through a furball and pick off someone who has no clue your coming.

[IceFire]

If flown according to the right tactics the FW190 will dominate over the Spitfire, Yak, and other fighters in a combat area. The FW190 is not a duel fighter...if you want to do that then fly the Bf109 instead. The FW190 is a hunter and a killer...if on the defensive its tough and generally fast enough to get you out of trouble to fight another day. But, its not too good at mixing it up without some wingman support.

If you've got a Spitfire or Yak in your sights and he turns...make a good deflection shot on him and then reposition rather than following the turn. You'll notice that in every comparison the FW190 is inferior in the turn except at high speeds (in some cases). Use the roll rate advantage to put yourself into a high yo-yo and then come back down on the Spitfire. So long as you fly like this you can generally dominate the fight and control it. If you get into a turn fight then its usually the Spitfire/Yaks turn to dominate so just don't do it.

The FW190 is probably the most extreme of the fighters available since its high firepower, incredible roll rate, and dive speed make it a fantastic fighter that sticks to hunting its prey rather than engaging into a prolonged fight. You pretty much have no choice but to use the hit and run/boom and zoom method. With some of the other fighters you have some options either way...all of the American fighters can, to some degree, fight in the horizontal depending on the opponent and relative speed differences. But with the FW190 thats almost always a bad thing. Once the FW190s fighting style gets into you...you stop liking the Spitfire and 109 as much and start liking the P-51, Tempest, Corsair, and P-47. Also once you start to fight this way the P-40 versus Zero matchup changes significantly from advantage Zero to advantage P-40.