For my 40$.

Mardescrap · #1 07-25-2011, 05:37 AM

Man what a mess!

I don't know exactly what went wrong over there, it feels either like the team wanted to do BIG things they weren't able to deliver or some guy of the marketing department wanted the thing to go out at a PRECISE date even if it wasn't finished. Marketing folks are funny, they think that a trailer with flames and epic (bad orchestral) music sell better than quality.

The AI is completely off (Bf110 rolling like crazy when pursued, gunner shooting at you between regurgitations), the ground is too heavy for most systems (drawcalls or polycount, whatever), the LODs have problems, often the textures don't load properly so that the models in CoD look worst than the ones in IL2. The gunsights are a pain to use along the now bad camera controls. The sounds are good, the problem is that there seems to be lots of placeholders left in the final product.

What I fail to grasp is why the need to fix things that weren't broken at first in IL2 made this actually worst in its functionality than the original. Why is there a need for a custom window full of information that remind you constantly that you are actually in a game (not flying), and why does it overlap over the radio menu? Why is the menu such a mess? Where is the quick mission screen? Why not just reskin IL2 with a deeper AI, better damage models and a better career? I mean the only complaints I had about IL2 was the AI (which is good since one of the last patches) and the shallow careers.

From what I heard the team is 26 guys strong? Over the course of development I saw some things like an autogyro (with a model that looked fairly final), pilot animations for bailing out and VERY high resolution ground vehicles. It sounds like zigzag development and leaders not grounded wanting every idea done. 26 people can't go like that and finish everything, that's sad because making this thing with 26 guys is still a feat even if it's broken... however this should have been done with priorities at the right places... but I'm just being captain hindsight here.

On the bright side, congrats to the modeler of the airplanes and cockpit, that's really a nice job. The textures on the airplanes, when they load properly, look right on spot, the specularity and the progressive weathering are near perfect. The normal mapping adds a lot, especially to the aircrafts covered by fabric. The damage model is REALLY nice. Water is nice too, best shader in a flight sim that I saw so far. The lighting is pretty good too. Under the problems there seems to be high potential for something awesome. The progressive weathering of the airplanes holds potential, for instance a career that you wear out your airplane by flying it would be awesome.

Anyway good luck cleaning this up to the team, I'll check after some patches what if feels like. I'm sure it will be better later, but I'll keep on flying the KA50 until my WWII airplane is fixed.

PS: I pre-ordered the game and got this after a delay, I think it was worth that post.

Mysticpuma · #2 07-25-2011, 07:35 AM

I hear the echo of many a previous post here

but I think you do give a fair and balanced view and I agree with your summary. Sit back, wait for patch 1.07.3529 and all, I am sure, will be good in CloD again

#3 07-25-2011, 08:51 AM

Well not to worry at least Luthier's happy,

heres the latest update form our comedy chum..

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthier

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

robtek · #4 07-25-2011, 08:58 AM

Some people could use this advice: Lighten up, take it easy, it's not the end of the world, everything will be all-right, ....

6S.Tamat · #5 07-25-2011, 10:12 AM

"Some people could use this advice: Lighten up, take it easy, it's not the end of the world, everything will be all-right, ..." but i paid so i'm a little bit irritated

Mysticpuma · #6 07-25-2011, 11:51 AM

Anyone else had posted that about the sound it would have been deleted and reported!

Disappointing to know Luthier can visit the forums to mock us, isn't it about time he took seriously the fact they have our money and should at-least spend time posting what they are actually doing rather than taking the mick!

Then again it would be nice to see some more party pictures from the inside of the office as they celebrate releasing the same buggy 'patched' game to the US without any update?

Harsh, but I'd rather see posts about what they intend to fix in a roadmap rather than mockery of those disappointed with what there currently is.

MP

Mysticpuma · #7 07-25-2011, 11:54 AM

Okay if it's alright for Luthier, here's video showing improvements over the latest patch in the next update:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyu0w1fzyIc

furbs · #8 07-25-2011, 12:12 PM

Welcome to the club Puma, every man has his limit.

drewpee · #9 07-25-2011, 12:53 PM

I've payed my phone company allot more than $40 over the last 20 years they still can't get it right. I've already had my moneys worth of fun out of this game and it's only going to get better.

fireflyerz · #10 07-25-2011, 01:19 PM

Mardescrap - probably one of the better posts ive read on this forum and you echo allot of my observations , to me its no longer about if and when will it get fixed but a fascination for how and why it all went horribly wrong .