Are Tracer threads the new ".50-Calibre" thread?What if we get a .50-calibre in CloD?

[Mysticpuma]

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[Strike]

we already have them no? The breda 12.7mm on the G.50 ?

[CaptainDoggles]

Yeah the Bredas are porked though. In real life they could flip a Sherman tank right over!

Pilots would bounce them off the bottom of the ocean, and the bullets would come up into the soft, unarmoured belly of the Allied Tankers.

[bongodriver]

Pilots would bounce them off the bottom of the ocean, and the bullets would come up into the soft, unarmoured belly of the Allied Tankers.

I have never heard of that, and my understanding of balistics makes it seem improbbable, would love to have a link to some info on that.

[CaptainDoggles]

Was sarcasm. On the old ubi forums we had pages and pages of posts arguing about how the M2 50 cals flipped Panzers over in real life (impossible) and how pilots would bounce the rounds off the roads and up into the belly of tanks while strafing, because the armor was thinner.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Was sarcasm. On the old ubi forums we had pages and pages of posts arguing about how the M2 50 cals flipped Panzers over in real life (impossible) and how pilots would bounce the rounds off the roads and up into the belly of tanks while strafing, because the armor was thinner.

'phew' ok, I was sucked in.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Was sarcasm. On the old ubi forums we had pages and pages of posts arguing about how the M2 50 cals flipped Panzers over in real life (impossible) and how pilots would bounce the rounds off the roads and up into the belly of tanks while strafing, because the armor was thinner.

P-47 Thunderbolt pilots like Gabreski and Zemke reported that the bounce of bullets on hard roads (normally stone paved ones) could be "directed" under tanks, but again it was a mix of skills/luck and not always effective.

As for bullet bounce, they can ricochet over the water (not on the seabed), but only at a certain distance (when they lose most of their kinetic load) and angle, again, guncamera footage shows it in a pretty clear way. There are clips when you see whole bursts getting deflected by steel railroads.

[winny]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I have never heard of that, and my understanding of balistics makes it seem improbbable, would love to have a link to some info on that.

Me too, water is really good at stopping bullets quickly. To bounce them off the seabed seems impossible to me (unless we're talking less than 3 feet of water)

Didn't mythbusters fire a .50 cal into a swimming pool to test this sort of thing out?

Answered my own question..

[Chips86]

I hate all of the people that bought this game expecting a flight sim. We all knew it was a ballistics and tracer round sim. You fly boys are just kidding yourselves.

[hiro]

Well I think the new .50 cal threads will pop up once the game has both tigers and .50 cals


no, its not bouncing bullets off the sea floor . . . its misunderstood.

its bouncing them off the water using surface tension, it works like this,

the water surface acts as a catapult, and as the bullet skips across it, the surface tension pulls back from the water layer below, and the water contact with the bullet's skin hangs on to it. But since water likes to stay together, it returns back to its original state, giving a rubber band snap. This adds extra velocity. And since Americans used metal bullets, which has the right amount of stick vs slipperyness to water contact, it worked well. The extremely fast bullets then can saw through ships.

They did it in the pacific, which owns because its the pacific.

It worked against tigers because the mud was best for this. you could skip bullets off mud and the Americans got so good at using ruts, mud, and puddles to really add sling power. Hence the mustang (but more thunderbolt since it had 8 extra machine guns) was such a awesome tiger hunter. The p-38 was more stable gun platform, crucial for ricochet effect but its low .50 cal number and speeds just under mach made it hard for passes without radar guided gunsights (not invented until after ww 2)