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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 03-30-2011, 10:12 PM
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Default Urgently NEEDED for proper CEM ! IMHO ;)

are pilotinstructions for ALL planes.
Making a CEM and not giving the player instructions is not a nice behaviour. I gess in real the pilots know exactly (or knew where to read them at least ) the engine limitations - at least the limitations by the manufacturer ! Going above these limits is experience and luck

And btw, instructions about how the stull is working in this game , not some instructions from real world aircraft (i dont expect these two areas are matching totaly )
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:17 PM
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a googling quickly pulled up this little gem, maybe its useful....
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Im...pit2Manual.pdf


only horrible thing about it is 'aeroplane' written everywhere, thats hideous. I'ts AIRCRAFT not airplane.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:25 PM
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Unfortunately this is where this sim falls down for me. Have a look at A2A Simulations and the numerous tutorial videos on their site for their Accusim Products. Scott Gentile explains in detail how to operate an aircraft's flight systems from engines, to fuel, to anything you can think of. Scott has produced what I would regard some the best professional aircraft packages for FSX, I wish / hope he would become a third party developer for CoD.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:26 PM
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+1 to OP
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:48 PM
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I spend 2 hours to figure out how to start an engine...

I still have no idea

But CoD is fine...
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:59 PM
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me too, no súccess so far, i build extra for this a mission were i had a start on Airbase
still wondering, i was happy enough to understand the german translation they used for engine start

in flight, where the "release" missions mostlyl start, the engine is running already.
and most times i get a damage message and i wondering why this part is broken (exhaust system as example)

its like beeing wit the Wright brothers at Kitty Hawk - all pure guess

perhaps i realy have to go through the TigerMoth lessons, perhaps that helps...
but acktually not the flying is the proplem, its the engines
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:56 PM
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There are operating limits in the manual for some of the aircraft (Spit, Hurri, Stuka and 109) but not all. However, there are aircraft with similar engines and others that have the operating limits clearly marked on the instruments.

For example, in a youtube video featuring the Bf10 i could clearly see there are 3 tick-marks on all the manifold pressure and tachometer gauges:

d: This is the lowest setting and thus i assume the one used for max. continuous power
30: Use this for not more than 30 minutes, this is usually the climb setting
1-3: This is probably WEP, use for 1-3 minutes.

I agree that documentation would be helpful, but it's not too much trouble to find out yourself if you know what to look for. For example, the tachometer on the 109 has a red triangle above the 2500 RPM marker. This clearly means "do not exceed" or "max continuous power" and after a quick look in the manual it appears that's the case: maximum continuous RPM is just a tad lower than 2500.


The Tiger moth is dead simple (it should be, it's a trainer after all ). It has a fixed pitch prop, so throttle directly influences RPM. Now, if you look at the tachometer, you'll see that it's installed sideways. The reason? Instead of having to remember the correct RPM, just adjust your throttle so that the needle points straight up.

Then, it's the case of similar engines...for example, i guess that a Spit and a Hurri would probably use very similar settings if not the exact same ones, since they have the same type of engine. There are also clearly labeled zones on the boost instrument and from the IL2 series i seem to remember that maximum RPM is around 3000.


In a similar fashion, the Stuka, He111 and Ju88 all use a Jumo 211 engine. We have the Stuka power settings in the manual, i guess we can use them in the He111 and Ju88 as well.
The 109 and 110 also use a single engine type, but the 109 is already detailed in the manual and the 110 has clearly visible instrument markings.

I think the only aircraft that's undocumented in the manual, not sharing an engine with an aircraft that has known limits and doesn't have any markings on the instruments (maybe it does on the boost gauges but i haven't seen them close-up yet in any youtube videos), which makes it a total guesswork in this regard, is the Blenheim.

I would still like to see some documentation dealing with this, but to be honest if i had the game in my hands i'd probably be trying to break the engines anyway in creative ways to see how good the CEM is, as such i would probably learn the limits on my own pretty fast

Overall, the manual is very good for easing beginners into flight sims (at least the one that's been circulated after the Russian release in PDF form) but doesn't go into much detail about the in-depth features, so a few PDF supplements would be nice to have.

However, like i said before, if you want to fly an aircraft that's not listed in detail in the manual just fire up wikipedia and check the kind of engine it uses...it might be the same engine with another aircraft that the manual explains better

I hope this helps somewhat.
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me too, no súccess so far, i build extra for this a mission were i had a start on Airbase
Me to

I tried the following steps:

Oil and Radiator open
Mixture to rich
Magnetos on
Fuel flow to center tank

"I" to start the engine

But no success, the propeller stoped after some rotations...
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Me to

I tried the following steps:

Oil and Radiator open
Mixture to rich
Magnetos on
Fuel flow to center tank

"I" to start the engine

But no success, the propeller stoped after some rotations...
Do you need to pump up the fuel pressure?
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Did you perhaps leave the throttle at 0% as you were starting? That probably won't help.
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