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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 05-31-2011, 09:45 AM
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Default Wonder if they'll sue Northrop Grumman for this?

For those who know of past issues....it's a chance for the under-dog to fight back

http://www.aviano.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123177813

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"While the Padre Pio crew is credited with recovering what's believed to be a part of the fuselage, right wing with landing gear, and a small part of the left wing, Mr. Salvagno said the find actually cost his fishing business approximately 30,000 euro in damages to his equipment and boat and in lost wages as his boat was not operational for nearly three weeks."

Okay, no-chance...but sometimes you just wish?

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Sometimes revenge worsens the original problem.

Something about digging two graves....?
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:56 AM
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no, Italy is not like the UK or US, we don't do ridiculous sues..

joking aside, I find the find pretty fascinating, but we also have to appreciate that these folks might not give a damn about P-47s and that the damage done is substantial. Let's hope that some association or museum will take care of the wreck now!

AFAIK these folks are covered by insurances anyway, so they will eventually be fine.

Talking of sea recoveries, I'm really looking forward to see what's gonna happen with the Do-17 they need to recover, that's gonna be quite a challenge.

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Old 05-31-2011, 11:28 AM
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Sometimes revenge worsens the original problem.

Something about digging two graves....?
No mate.. I'm an eye for an eye man.
It's a case of 'two can play at that game'.. it would be good to see the small fry take it to the big corporation and win!
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For those who know of past issues....it's a chance for the under-dog to fight back

http://www.aviano.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123177813

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"While the Padre Pio crew is credited with recovering what's believed to be a part of the fuselage, right wing with landing gear, and a small part of the left wing, Mr. Salvagno said the find actually cost his fishing business approximately 30,000 euro in damages to his equipment and boat and in lost wages as his boat was not operational for nearly three weeks."

Okay, no-chance...but sometimes you just wish?

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Sue NG?

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In December of 1999, Fairchild Aerospace Corporation was acquired by German insurer Allianz A.G. and the United States investment group Clayton, Dubilier & Rice Inc. for $1.2 billion
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Sue NG?

Republic was aquired by Fairchild which is today, don't laugh:
Ha! Good luck with that!!

Although, considering that these folks are probably insured, and Allianz is quite a big group in Italy.. ah, the irony of the destiny!
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The cost of restoring this would be so great. I am glad to see someone with the wherewithal to make it a reality.
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The cost of restoring this would be so great. I am glad to see someone with the wherewithal to make it a reality.
there's not one single part that is salvageable for restoration, sea water is the black death of aluminium.

The best they could do is thoroughly washing the wreck to stop corrosion, then covering the surface with a protecting agent.

There have been cases where the original paintwork resisted the elements, normally because the plane spent decades under the sand

(this is the P-40K recovered in front of Anzio years ago)


but restaurations of corroded/deformed airframes is really, really difficult.
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there's not one single part that is salvageable for restoration, sea water is the black death of aluminium.

The best they could do is thoroughly washing the wreck to stop corrosion, then covering the surface with a protecting agent.

There have been cases where the original paintwork resisted the elements, normally because the plane spent decades under the sand

(this is the P-40K recovered in front of Anzio years ago)


but restaurations of corroded/deformed airframes is really, really difficult.
Here's a Focke Wulf A3 that was recovered outside of Bergen, Norway in 2006.
It'll definitely never fly again (because of the seawater) but it looks pretty good nonetheless!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borslid/5723047833/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borslid...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borslid...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borslid...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borslid...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borslid...n/photostream/



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