Compilation of Aircraft Systems Errors/Bugs/Modelling Mistakes

[csThor]

Aircraft Systems Errors/Bugs/Modelling Mistakes

The Intention of this thread.

Cliffs of Dover models a considerable amount of aircraft systems and unfortunately also contains a number of errors/bugs while doing so. The intention of this thread is to create a centralized place to collect said errors/bugs and help provide 1C with information what is wrong and how it should be. As we all know pictures (or videos) can explain a lot better than words it would be very helpful to provide screenshots or videos showing the problem.

What this thread is not about.

This thread is not for discussions how this or that system worked or how it should be operated in the game. It's not a place to argue about FM/DM or historical details, either. Please keep such posts in separate threads.

Layout of the posts.

Similar to the requests thread please use a standard layout for the post to make reading the thread easier. The layout is simple. It contains

Aircraft type (exact designation)
System Affected (flaps system, gear, engine etc)
Description of the problem (and, as far as possible, screenshots, videos and original material)

Thanks.

[csThor]

Aircraft type: Junker Ju 87 B-2
System affected: Flaps & Dive Break Controls
Description of the problem(s):

The current Ju 87 B is missing a label on the Flaps Control Box (see screenshots below).





Also the central position is not accessible for either the player or the autopilot. This means the Take-Off position for the flaps is not available.


On top of this the AI is not using the flaps and dive break system as it should be. First the excerpt from the manual on flaps and dive break procedures ...





Currently the AI keeps the flaps and dive break control levers in the setting it wants to achieve (i.e. if it wants to set them to Landing it keeps the lever in the Landing position).



This screenshot shows the setting after the player enters the plane. The lever is fully forward in "Reise - Steigen" while it should be either in "Start" (the currently unlabeled central position) or in one of the idle settings (labeled with '0').
The electric indicators (red arrows) show once a certain setting was achieved and, according to the manual I posted above, the pilot was to switch to one of the idle settings (yellow arrows) to "keep unnecessary pressure off the system".
Now, if we switch on the autopilot the AI will obstinately keep the lever in the position it wants to achieve and NOT switch back to an idle setting. According to the manual this is wrong and not permissable since the flaps and dive break are hydraulically operated and share the same system. If one of the two sub-systems is set to a specific position the other will be idle and not accessible.

The same is true for the dive break which operates the very same way.

[robtek]

Aircraft type:

Bf109 all; Bf110 all; more ?

System Affected:

engine; prop

Description of the problem:

no warm up needed since the last patch
Switching between magnetos, while running the engine on the chocks, should bring rpm differences of about 50 rpm, actual its > 500 rpm
Oil pressure independent of the oil temperature
Reaction of the water temperature to radiator setting is only marginal, while cruising at higher altitude closed rads are normal.
No feathering implemented, Props of seized/stopped engines continue windmilling

[ATAG_Snapper]

Aircraft Type: Spitfire I, Ia, IIa

System Affected: Engine

Description of the problem: Mixture Control Lever animation is incorrect; it is reversed to how the lever operates in the real aircraft. CoD Spitfire: lever pushed fully forward for Full Rich which is incorrect; lever should be pulled fully back for Full Rich. The CoD Hurricane (all marks) models this correctly.

[SEE]

Aircraft type Spifire Mk1/1a

System Affected Engine Performance - Boost Cut Out

Description of the problem No measurable change in performance when Boost Cut Out engaged/disengaged

[HR_Naglfar]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

The CoD Hurricane (all marks) models this correctly.

Not exactly...


Aircraft type: Hurricane Mk I DH 5-20

System affected: Engine

Description of the problem: Mixture control lever reversed (should be backward for auto rich) and not linked to the throttle control, causing a "ghost" effect when it's suposed to pull the mix control back. This is correctly modeled in the Hurri Rotol.






Aircraft type: Blenheim Mk IV

System affected: Engine

Description of the problem: The mixture control seems to do absolutely nothing; it should be auto rich back and auto lean forward. Also the RPMs have nothing to do with what the pilot's notes says (neither with the real aircraft I assume), so the oil is always too cold and the engines doesn't refrigerate well.

[salmo]

Aircraft type: Hurricane, Spitfire, ? all others

System affected: Canopy hatches

Description of the problem: Air speed should be reduced when canopy is opened. Presently no air speed change is detectable.

[Foo'bar]

Aircraft type: Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 and C-7

System affected: Missing and wrong cockpit instrument labels

Description of the problem:











Please see my previous post with images: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27644

[csThor]

Aircraft type: Ju 87 B-2
System Affected: Armament Switchboxes ASK-V and ASK-L
Description of Problem:



At the moment the red indicator signs (see yellow arrows in screenshot) are always on if a bomb is loaded. This is wrong as the manual LDv 576/4 clearly states that these lights only come on once the selected safety is being shut off.


Excerpt from LDv 576/4 on pre-flight testing of ETC and ASK

Bottom line is: The red indicator light must not show unless the bomb safety for that particular bomb has been switched off.

Aircraft type: Ju 87 B-2
System Affected: Armament Switchboxes ASK-V and ASK-L
Description of Problem:



Currently ASK-V is being treated as Master Arm Switch which is wrong. ASK-V controlled only the centerline ETC-500 with either a 250 or 500kg bomb and was NOT a Master Arm Switch for the bombload. This means arming a SC50 on one of the wingracks must not change the state of the ASK-V switch!

Aircraft type: Ju 87 B-2
System Affected: Missing Fuse Selector ZSK 243
Description of Problem:

The manual for the bombload of the Ju 87 B-2 (LDv 576/4) states



and



It's talking about setting the attack mode (dive or low level), switching on the main safety and setting the fuse (with out without delay) on a device called ZSK. No such device can be found in the current Ju 87 B-2. The manual also shows its position (to the right of the pilot's seat).





The last picture shows the the three switches on the ZSK 243. The leftmost controls the attack method (Horizontalanflug or Sturzflug), the middle the fuse (oV or mV) and the last is the main safety.

[Foo'bar]

Aircraft type: Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 and C-7

System affected: Cockpit instrument lighting

Description of the problem:

1. The "Fahrwerkanzeiger" ("Vierlampengerät") has a switch to cut-off the indicator lights. Though the switch has been modelled there's no way to map a key to the function.

2. The Horizon was shut-off in normal flying by day. Pilots only switched it on at "Blindflugbedingungen".

3. Generally, there are too many light sources in 110-cockpit wich are blinding the pilot by night. There's no way to cut off all light indicators.