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Old 03-09-2012, 11:05 AM
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Default bf-109 flight characteristics

my plane bounces around way to much inflight, and it is almost impossible to aim at, or hit anything.

is it my flying, or is it just a crappy stick?

i'm using a cyborg 3d gold, about ten years old (ya, ya, i know)

my new logitech one will be delivered tomorrow, and i hope to see some better flight handling.

any comments would be most welcome.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:17 AM
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Could be your old stick or maybe the setting's dead zone/sensitivity. Aircraft can be very un-comfortable at time's in RL
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:23 AM
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i agree, reducing the sensitivity should help a great deal! ill see what i can do. maybe i'll actually hit something tonight.

reduced sensitivity to 50%, and that seems very helpful, but the plane still wants to fly straight up when i let go of the stick.

i don't recall the old il-2 doing that. if anything i expect the 109 to pull to the right from prop torque. something seems not right...

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Old 03-09-2012, 11:52 AM
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My BF does not bounce. Full sensitivity. I never recommend using curves or deadzones, because they easily can kill agility and mess flying on edge.

It is normal for nose to rise when speed increases. You have to trim it for every speed change, if you want hands off level flight. By the way, trim of BF is different in CoD, than it was in old IL2. In old IL2 trim worked by moving neutral position, but in CoD it moves whole separate surface, so you may get situation, in which trim works (too much) against elevator. In such cases you may get "bouncy" feel, so check your trim.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:56 AM
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i agree, reducing the sensitivity should help a great deal! ill see what i can do. maybe i'll actually hit something tonight.

reduced sensitivity to 50%, and that seems very helpful, but the plane still wants to fly straight up when i let go of the stick.

i don't recall the old il-2 doing that. if anything i expect the 109 to pull to the right from prop torque. something seems not right...
Where the 109 pulls, up, down, right, left is depending on speed and trim.
I am not a friend of reducing sensitivity or changing the deflection band.
I used to fly with such settings myself over quite a period, and even though it does improve gunnery when it comes to microcorrections, it has some bad habits when it comes to actual dogfighting, as pulling back the stick in turns is not a gradual expirience anymore. Whatever you gain in precision in one area you lose in another.
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Old 03-09-2012, 12:20 PM
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i have no idea how trim even works. i have never used it before. guess i should learn.
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:08 PM
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i have no idea how trim even works. i have never used it before. guess i should learn.
Without trim you are fighting the plane more then the enemy!

Always trim the plane to neutral flight, except for the start ( a bit nose up) and continous climbing (same) or landing (also nose up).

Usually only the bombers have all three trim axes, english fighters have 2 (rudder and elevator) and the 109 has only elevator, the 110, though, has all three axes.

Be aware that when your controls are shot up in most cases you can still fly (and that is correctly modeled) with trim alone.
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:17 PM
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what a severe pain in the ass! makes me want to not even play. sent me right into the bloody sea!!! uncontrollable....worse than before. are you guys really happy with this game???
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:26 PM
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what a severe pain in the ass! makes me want to not even play. sent me right into the bloody sea!!! uncontrollable....worse than before. are you guys really happy with this game???
Relax, young Padawan. Working with trim and finding a good flight envelope requires a lot of practice and training. This is not an arcade game, but a simulator. Planes back then simply behaved this way. Blame physics. This game has a lot of problems, but FM in general is not one of them.

But then again, you get the hang of it pretty quickly with a bit of practice.

Here is a good link for some basics

http://x-plane.deinon.com/aircraft_trim.pdf

Using an old joystick though probably also isn't ideal
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:25 PM
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what a severe pain in the ass! makes me want to not even play. sent me right into the bloody sea!!! uncontrollable....worse than before. are you guys really happy with this game???

You do know of the need, and have done a calibration of your stick?
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