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Old 12-20-2011, 10:55 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...B&feature=plcp

This is a most relevant issue facing the entire world, not just Chernobyl, but nuclear power plants altogether.

Not a political issue... a crime against mankind.

This is about Chernobyl, but to date there have been several meltdown accidents in USA and now Japan.

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Old 12-21-2011, 12:35 AM
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This is probably the most relevant issue facing the entire world, not just Chernobyl, but nuclear power plants altogether.

Not a political issue... a crime against mankind.
Atm we have exactly ZERO alternatives to NPPs.
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Old 12-21-2011, 03:44 AM
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...and a Merry Christmas to you, too!

Half-life of 250,000 years... Give or take... Couldn't this wait till the new year?



But joking aside.

We need to invest everything in solar power... Before the supernova...

But thanks for the link... These facts are undeniable, but not to be used as an excuse for upping fossil fuel production!

...Now canada is threatening the USA with sales of oil to china, if the pipe-line isn't ok'd!! What's this world coming to?! Oh, yer... 2012... Hehehaha!

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Old 12-21-2011, 03:54 AM
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...and a Merry Christmas to you, too!

Half-life of 250,000 years... Give or take... Couldn't this wait till the new year?



But joking aside.

We need to invest everything in solar power... Before the supernova...
No one is talking about nuclear energy. The New York Academy of Sciences recently released a report indicating Chernobyl has already cost over 1 million lives.

When I started reading up on Nuclear Power, the way they manage waste, etc. It is a nightmare beyond anything imaginable.

Before it is done the damage at Fukushima,Japan will make Nagasaki and Heroshima look like firecrackers for damage compared to meltdowns in three reactors.

I can't imagine any country wanting nuclear anything. When they have an accident the consequences are un-imaginable. Note I said, "When".

I find it interesting how quiet the media has become worldwide about the Japanese meltdowns.

The Fukushima meltdowns will probably within the next 30 years be responsible for killing millions. The land for miles from the reactors will be a dead zone for thousands of years.

It is unbelieveable that any government could embrace such a technology with "eternal consequences" for failure.

Fossil fuels have their problems. The amount money dedicated to Nuclear energy research if applied to fossil fuels would have resulted in cleaner fuel by now, it just wasn't expedient to do so.

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Old 12-21-2011, 04:30 AM
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It's sad, it's scary... But unless cold fusion is more than just wishful thinking, nuclear energy is not going away... I am just glad I dont live next to it!

You're so right to be concerned/outraged... But it's like the global financial meltdown... The little guy doesn't have a say! He just gets to suffer the consequences!!
One day, when it all goes pear-shaped, those responsible will just move on to mars... Once the atmosphere has been altered per their specifications... I'm sure there are people working on it... That's what progressive thinkers are for...

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...live each day like its your last! Because you never know....!
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:48 AM
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It's sad, it's scary... But unless cold fusion is more than just wishful thinking, nuclear energy is not going away... I am just glad I dont live next to it!

You're so right to be concerned/outraged... But it's like the global financial meltdown... The little guy doesn't have a say! He just gets to suffer the consequences!!
One day, when it all goes pear-shaped, those responsible will just move on to mars... Once the atmosphere has been altered per their specifications... I'm sure there are people working on it... That's what progressive thinkers are for...

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...and a Happy New Year!...

...live each day like its your last! Because you never know....!
Germany has plans to cease use of nuclear power within the next couple years. Germany has experienced nuclear radiation from Chernobyl and the they dont' want more of the same from their own plants.

About all that can be done is to keep governments from allowing anymore to be built. Since 3 mile island meltdown in USA not another plant has been built. The energy money grubbers are licking their chops, patiently waiting for the chance to build more.
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:53 AM
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What do you suggest for cheap energy in Japan?
What affordable alternative do they have?

Therein lies the problem....affordable?
"Clean/renewable" energy is so expensive....nobody can/will afford it.
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Old 12-21-2011, 05:01 AM
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Germany has plans to cease use of nuclear power within the next couple years. Germany has experienced nuclear radiation from Chernobyl and the they dont' want more of the same from their own plants.

About all that can be done is to keep governments from allowing anymore to be built. Since 3 mile island meltdown in USA not another plant has been built. The energy money grubbers are licking their chops, patiently waiting for the chance to build more.
How about the STNP South Texas Nuclear Plant, built in the 1980's?
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Old 12-21-2011, 05:14 AM
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It's not a sane world... And never will be... It makes me wish that the film 'the day the earth stood still' would become science fact, not science fiction...!
We need to be taught a 'BIG' lesson because of the greed and devestatiion we cause...!

It's a shame the dinosaurs got wiped out... I'm sure it would still be a paradise with them in the drivers seat, instead of us... We would just need to run and hide... More than what we do now...
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:15 AM
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What do you suggest for cheap energy in Japan?
What affordable alternative do they have?

Therein lies the problem....affordable?
"Clean/renewable" energy is so expensive....nobody can/will afford it.
Well, the Japanese have an island right there and that offers plentiful opportunities for alternatives. The problem is, it will take quite a while to build that up.

I personally was indifferent towards the problem for a long time up until I got to know that at least in Germany, NPPs are insecureable (Means, if one blows up, the taxpayer has to take care of the damage. I am also worried about the implications, that securers obviously deem the prevailing risk as too high to take any chances. Would be interested to know how that situation is in the UK or the US, for example). Also, Europe is a densly populated place, if a plant goes up here it will potentially effect millions. Add that to the problem that to this day no definitive nuclear waste site has been found to store this stuff for the next million years and you have some problems you can't just ignore. Add to that the huge construction plans for nuclear sites all over the globe and you just create another dependent infrastructure that repeats the old oil cycle of having to secure ressources to make sure you do not run out of fuel (not to talk about the huge amounts of subsidies going into nuclear plants not only in Germany, but all over the place, that could be very much used for alternatives).

IMHO nuclear sounds good on paper but in practice simply makes too much trouble in the long run. "Affordable" in this regard is a very relative term.
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