CH Fighterstick-sensitivity problem caused by CLOD or CH control manager?

[David198502]

hey guys.after one year i decided to make a clean installation of windows on my rig, because it was full of useless trash.after i did, i installed steam and clod. then i plugged in my fighterstick, calibrated it via windows 7 and played cod before i installed the ch control manager software.i surprisingly realised, that the stick was way more sensitive near the center....everybody who has a fighterstick, propably knows that there is a really small space in the center, where you can move the stick without feeling the counter force of the springs.even those small inputs were suddenly recognized by the game.after testing a bit further i came to the conlusion, that it was much easier to aim precisely and doing really small corrections of my aim, and i also noticed a difference while i made a couple of landings.i could control the flare before touchdown much more smooth....and i mean really smooth.

then i installed ch control manager again and loaded my map,calibrated the stick and went back into game.well the stick was still precise, but not as much as with the windows calibration.
so i quit the game, and set the stick to direct mode.i suspected that when i use it in direct mode, that the sensitivty should be as precise as with the windows calibration, cause in the ch control manager software, when one calibrates the stick in direct mode, the software recognizes even the smallest input and shows them in the raw data.but it wasnt.as soon as i calibrate the stick with ch software, the stick gets a small, but still noticeable deadzone near the center in the game.thats annoying now that i know the difference, because i have to make a decision...either i use my really handy map with all the possible controls on the stick with its 3modes and leave the deadzone as it is, or i use windows calibration,have a really sensitive stick but loose my map.for now i uninstalled ch software and calibrated the stick with windows, and set a couple of controls to my keyboard, cause i really love the "new" accuracy of the stick.

however, what i actually would like to know is, if that is a problem connected to ch products and its software, or maybe cliffs of dover and the way it
recognizes the stick.

i wanted to ask this on ch-hangar, but the site seems to be down at the moment.

everyone who has a ch stick could try this, cause i would be really interested if someone else recognizes this difference.it takes only a couple of minutes to uninstall ch software, and in case you dont like the difference, or insist on your map, to reinstall it again.but before you delete it, safe your maps!
i really would like to know your results.

[ElAurens]

I have the full CH kit, including the Throttle Quadrant. Never used the CH software as I have always found it very counter-intuitive, at best.

With all the CH gear, and controls set up in game I don't know why you would have to run the CH program.

Just my opinion of course.

As to the G940, well when it gets as old as my Ch stick and throttle, and still works properly, let me know.

[JG52Uther]

I don't use the CH software either, and feel the same way as ElAurens about it.

[David198502]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I have the full CH kit, including the Throttle Quadrant. Never used the CH software as I have always found it very counter-intuitive, at best.

With all the CH gear, and controls set up in game I don't know why you would have to run the CH program.

Just my opinion of course.

As to the G940, well when it gets as old as my Ch stick and throttle, and still works properly, let me know.

ah ok...so you guys have never used the ch software??why not?because of the reason i described above?
the reason i used it until now, was that on the ch hangar site everybody was recommending it, and claimed that its almost necessary to calibrate the stick with the software to get a decent behaviour...besides i wanted to use all the 3modes of the stick, cause up until now, i dont have rudder pedals and no throttle as well, but only the stick.


but its interesting that you guys dont use it at all..do you have it even installed, or did you calibrate the stick with windows??

Edit:well cheesehawk, besides this little issue, im really statisfied with the stick.it works really well,is really precise and most important it seems undestroyable.btw, doesnt have the g940 a bug?

[JG52Uther]

When I first got my fighterstick and pedals, I did install the CH manager, for il2 '46. In the end I found I just did not need it, and forever editing and downloading maps was annoying, and just an extra complication for a prop sim. I personally found it more trouble than it was worth.
I have never used the CM for CoD, and have no problems.

[David198502]

@ JG52Uther.....do you have the ch pedals??how are they working?cause i tend to buy them soon, cause i believe in ch products longevity.

[JG52Uther]

My CH pedals are a few years old now, and work as good as the day I bought them. Some people find them to close together, but I get on fine with them. Saying that, a lot of people seem to like the Saitek pedals so you might want to look at them.

[trumps]

I have always used CM with my HOTAS, and pedals, apart from in WWII online where I had issues with it. In the last near on 11years that I have been running my CH setup I have never had an issue with regards to centering, spiking, and or any other axis response. Will have a play next time I am in town to see if I notice a difference by not using CM.

Craig

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[David198502]

Originally Posted by trumps

I have always used CM with my HOTAS, and pedals, apart from in WWII online where I had issues with it. In the last near on 11years that I have been running my CH setup I have never had an issue with regards to centering, spiking, and or any other axis response. Will have a play next time I am in town to see if I notice a difference by not using CM.

Craig

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i didnt know that i have a problem regarding the centering of the stick until i calibrated via windows....the difference is really small and only in the absolute center of the stick.the small space where the stick is movable without feeling the pressure of the springs.
when i used the ch software for the stick, the animated stick in the game would not move when i did such small inputs on the real stick without feeling the spring's pressure.
but now as i calibrated only with windows, and have no ch software on my rig, the game recognizes those really ridiculous small inputs.the stick seems to react on even the smallest movement of my arm, and so does the game now.
when i calibrated the stick with ch control manager and had a map, in the game i had to move the stick until i could feel the pressure of the springs that i could see a movement of the animated stick in the game.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Hi David,

I have the full CH kit (FS, PP, PT, TQ, and 2 MFP's) I've always used the CH software to link them together. The main point about the software is you can virtually do anything you want to do with key binds etc. But the other point is when using the software, say your map is loaded it turns all your controllers into 1 device. This comes in handy for many older games that will only recognize a mouse and keyboard, for instance. The other thing about the software is you have the ability to use "off mode" that way all your axises don't interfere, again, with other games like an first person shooter.

That's interesting about the precision in the middle. My kit, besides the MFP's are getting up there in age, and I've never noticed any sort of precision lost anywhere lol. I know you are stating, it's a very small gain without the software. I guess I'll have to test it and see if I see the same thing.

I just can't believe the CH software would actually cause a problem though. Perhaps the CH software default sensitivity is set lower than in game? Might be worth raising it a bit in the software and see if your loss in precision comes back.