controls damaged yet trim works

[jojovtx]

Was flying online in a 110C7 and lost my aileron controls to a flak burst. Was able to maintain use of aileron/roll via trim buttons. Maybe a bug or is it a feature?

[TUCKIE_JG52]

Same here, but on Bf110's elevator. Got it damaged and trim still work very effectively...

[Sauf]

I think its a feature, I lost elevators from a flak hit on the SYN server bout 3 weeks ago in a 109 and managed to make it back to France using the trim but yesterday got shot up by a spit and it didnt work at all. I put it down to trim being controlled by a secondry cable(?) to the stick and the spit damaging both, could be wrong but that was my take on it. Maybe Kurfurst or someone can shed some more light on the actual control setups in the 109/110.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Sauf

... or someone can shed some more light on the actual control setups in the 109/110.

A drawing is from the Bf 109-E and Bf 110-B manual. The Trimm and the elevator have separate control.

[jojovtx]

Very cool that it is a feature. At the risk of sounding like a Fanboi we got to think that if they take the time to detail the trim control cable separately that it must be incredibly complex to make a single change to the code without effecting countless other details.

[IvanK]

In the case of the 109 the trim wheel moves the horizontal stab not a tab on the elevator surface itself. A damaged Elevator cable would result in most cases of the elevator surface "streamlining" itself. If that was the case and the Trim/stab controls were undamaged then pitch control via trim (via the stab) might still be possible.

[JimmyBlonde]

This is an excellent feature. I always loathed the lack of redundancy in the 1946 control DM modelling since trim is a separate system to the control surface itself.

+1 to the Like column for CoD.

PS. Is the trim control absent when the actual control surface is shot away entirely?

[drewpee]

Its hard to say if its attentional or not, time will tell. It's been a bit of a cheat in the IL2 series where if you black out from high Gs you can pull up from a dive using your trim.

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by drewpee

Its hard to say if its attentional or not, time will tell. It's been a bit of a cheat in the IL2 series where if you black out from high Gs you can pull up from a dive using your trim.

No cheat at all. If you are "Blacked out" you can still smell,touch hear and feel ... you just cant see, so control input is still possible. If you go to the G LOC stage then control input is not possible.

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

A drawing is from the Bf 109-E and Bf 110-B manual. The Trimm and the elevator have separate control.

Impressive! Thanks for posting this information Tom!

Poor guys of the service team (counting the number of points they have to spread fat on...).

~S~