12 barrel rolls...

[reflected]

...all of them faster than a human could ever do. That's what the good old AI did as an evasive maneuver AGAIN. But this time I counted.

Can you imagine how much fun I'm having? NONE!

Please, please, if this stupid AI is a placeholder, please tell us, and tell us when you're planning to fix it, but this is unacceptable.

[kimosabi]

Barrel rolls? I'm only saying straight rolls. Alot of them. lol

[raaaid]

its better to bnz ai and try to caught it unware by shooting close

[Lixma]

Looks very much like IL-2's AI routines we're seeing. I actually wondered how hard would it be to just give the AI the same FM limits as the players' so we wouldn't see any more high speed acrobatics. But I imagine we'd then see a huge increase in the AI planting themselves into the ground because they tried to pull off some daft manoeuvre in a plane no longer able to pull it off. I really don't envy the programmers on this issue....must be a nightmare.

Mind you i've been very impressed with some of the AI i've encountered while flying 1v1 duels.

[Kakashi]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Looks very much like IL-2's AI routines we're seeing. I actually wondered how hard would it be to just give the AI the same FM limits as the players' so we wouldn't see any more high speed acrobatics. But I imagine we'd then see a huge increase in the AI planting themselves into the ground because they tried to pull off some daft manoeuvre in a plane no longer able to pull it off. I really don't envy the programmers on this issue....must be a nightmare.

Mind you i've been very impressed with some of the AI i've encountered while flying 1v1 duels.

I read somewhere that this superhuman AI characteristics came into the play because players would always beat them if they have regular limits. Cause its hard to build a good AI that will be able to best a descent player in a 1v1.

You know what to some extend yes why not?! But only on FIGHTERS !!!! How are you going to give heavy bombers the possibilities to out maneuver a spitfire !!! It completely kills the immersion for me! Even an extremely good pilot can not out maneuver a fighter with a bomber! They are supposed to be moving targets !!! xD If a bomber could out maneuver fighters, then why bother with all the turrets/fighter escort?! xD

Anyways hope they fix it for bombers definately, and bring it down a notch for fighters!

Quite frankly it wouldn't matter to me, I still can't play this game right now

[kimosabi]

Well if you, in a fighter, gets outmaneuvered by a bomber, even if the bomber AI has perfect trim and all seeing eye etc. that's a PEBKAC phenomenon. Level up!

[CharveL]

First off, I'd agree that the AI needs this fixed and improvement in general, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be. Well, the bomber barrel rolls are...odd...but I'm also sure it's fairly high up in the priority list.

Secondly, it's simply not currently feasible to give AI the same FM as the player. You think the game is resource hungry now, just add in one or even two AI planes with it and you'll quickly see the point of necessity for the canned AI routines.

With that said, there is a lot more complexity under the hood of CoD's AI than IL2, especially in terms of relative skill levels, situational awareness and decision making. Stuff you don't see that isn't so blatantly obvious as the behavioural bug with the manic barrel rolls.

I doubt it will be all that long before it is addressed.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by reflected

...all of them faster than a human could ever do. That's what the good old AI did as an evasive maneuver AGAIN. But this time I counted.

Can you imagine how much fun I'm having? NONE!

Please, please, if this stupid AI is a placeholder, please tell us, and tell us when you're planning to fix it, but this is unacceptable.

Well, last time I played X-plane 9 that is haussed by many as having such a good FM I could do five barrel rolls in a row with a 747 right after takeoff... That's a lot worse than an AI that needs some tweaking (which has happened in that last patch from what I understand?)

I will download the latest version of X-plane and see if I can still do it Gotta buy it by the way even though I don't like it to support the shrinking community. I think it may be the only sim I don't own that is on sale today. As I heard it they are home safe anyway after releasing that iPhone app that made more cash than they had done up to that date on the PC version? Really sad, but that's what fits todays market of people zapping around in reality with an attention span of < 60 minutes. Those people sure can't wait a few weeks for patches but just axe everything without hesitation and move on to the next app or channel...

[Pbs]

This is not real-life AI, this is AI-that-simulate-another-player. In online you will fights against humans, and they will do exactly same things. Also, there is bots in online battles, with same AI.

So, this AI perfectly prepares gamers to online battles, and perfectly replace real pilots in online. If you want more realistic AI for offline campaigns and missions, ask ANOTHER AI, but this one good enough.

[Breakfastmachine]

I certainly can't make my plane roll at the rate AI is able to. Neither can anyone online for that matter.