fix for instruments Hurricane

[Pluto]

Maybe there is already something written about this issue but I didnt have time to look.
Anyway, I realized that the artificial horizon on the Hurricane does not work properly, that should be corrected, if possible in the next patch!

[Redroach]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21481

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

I've said it countless times, back in the starting days of Il-2

The exact story behind it, I don't know. But british gyro instruments had a tendency to do that kind of thing. The instrument will slowly erect itself if you fly straight and level for a few minutes.

[Extreme_One]

Originally Posted by 1.JaVA_Platypus

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I've said it countless times, back in the starting days of Il-2
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I honestly never noticed it in IL2.

It's truly awesome that this is modelled.

[Pluto]

...aha... so this is normal on a Hurricane?

In a thick cloud where you cant see anything outside the cockpit its pure guessing then if you fly straight and level or anything else.
Didnt they have (clever) engineers at Hawker at the time to fix that?

They should at least have thought about the trouble that they will cause to people who will fly their plane in a virtual reality some 70 years later.

[robtek]

Pluto, in real life one wouldn't fly into a cloud without a very, very convincing reason!

[Blackdog_kt]

It doesn't only happen on Hurricanes, it's the same in the Spitfire and the me-110 and i guess in most of the other aircraft that have an artificial horizon.

If you end up in a cloud with the AH messed up, you can fly with the other instruments. The 109E doesn't even have an AH and on top of that it doesn't have a climb rate indicator either, so you must cross-reference the turn and bank indicator with the altitude and airspeed dials to deduce what's going on. It's still doable to make such a recovery but it just takes longer. For example, if i'm in a cloud, altitude dropping, speed picking up and i see the turn and bank indicator is off center i will have to roll level first by looking at the t-and-b indicator (but i won't know if i'm inverted or straight yet), then i will pull back on the stick a bit...if the altitude dial drops at a slower pace and i loose some speed i know i'm upright and can pull up and exit, if i pick up more speed and lose altitude faster i know i'm inverted so i roll 180 and pull up.

Compared to that the RAF fighters have a well equipped panel, making it a piece of cake to fly blind even without an artificial horizon once you learn to use the other instruments.

What you can do when the AH is tumbling and you want to fly blind is to combine the data from the turn and slip indicator with your climb rate dials. The climb rate dial saves you a lot of the guessing on whether you are inverted on not and as long as you are going up in any case it's good enough.
Should you find yourself lost in a cloud with a tumbling AH, just roll until the turn and slip indicator is centered and then pull up until you get no or positive climb rate. If by pulling back on the stick you get a negative reading on the vertical speed indicator you know you're inverted.

This is similar to the example with the 109, but the main difference is tha the VSI registers smaller changes than having to deduce everything yourself, so you don't have to yank the stick all over the place to realize what's happening and risk making it worse. The slightest amount of stick pressure will indicate a change in the VSI and you will know which way is up by that point: if back stick increases the VSI reading you are upright, if not you are inverted.


Try this as practice, start a free flight mission with clouds, disable any head-tracking equipment you might have and just look at the instrument panel, then take a piece of self-adhesive paper used for taking notes and tape it over your monitor to cover your artificial horizon. Now go in the clouds and fly around with the rest of the instruments, you'll see it's not that hard to get used to

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by robtek

Pluto, in real life one wouldn't fly into a cloud without a very, very convincing reason!

Thanks for the answer but how about running away from a 109, would that be a convincing reason, Mr. combat-flight-teacher? I suppose that happened quite often!

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Pluto

Thanks for the answer but how about running away from a 109, would that be a convincing reason, Mr. combat-flight-teacher? I suppose that happened quite often!

still LMAO on that one............. Mr. combat-flight-teacher

[Pluto]

... LMAO ???