defiant-o-phobes

He111 · #1 03-20-2011, 04:32 AM

LOL!! to coin a common phrase .. Whenever i watch weekly update videos, when a defiant is show, it's always being shot down by 109 or 110 or Storch etc without any defensive moves or counter fire by the gunner! .. Why? Has the defiant been classified a "clay pigeon" ?

He111.

TUSA/TX-Gunslinger · #2 03-20-2011, 06:42 AM

Are you talking about the newest video's?

The scene in which the Bf-110 dives in on the port high side of the Defiants and and then down and under?

I think that I read that video was made on "arcade" settings, which would explain why the Defiant gunner didn't shoot during the approach.

For myself, I don't ever plan to attack a Defiant unless it's head on or from below. Start my dive early - go a good bit under his tail at high speed, then come up under.

S!

Gunny

He111 · #3 03-20-2011, 08:42 AM

The 109 attacked from about 5 o'clock high, a very dangerous way to attack a defiant but gunner was asleep (or 109 AI cannot handle deffys), the 110 came in about 5 O'clock level, the defiant should have banked right, into the enemy, and allow the gunner full view .. but nothing!

Plus, I noticed Stuka's flying straight and level while being shot at by a beaufighter! OH DEAR!

just a few small points on a totally excellent sim so far.

He111

kimosabi · #4 03-20-2011, 11:46 AM

Defiant needs .50 cal.

Moggy · #5 03-20-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

For myself, I don't ever plan to attack a Defiant unless it's head on or from below. Start my dive early - go a good bit under his tail at high speed, then come up under.

S!

Gunny

Oh dear, if the Defiant is accurately modelled, you'll have to attack the Defiant from directly head on or slightly below the prop for the best result. The Defiant is unable to fire through it's prop but can fire just above it at an angle of 19°, anything above the prop would be bad for you but of course the turret needs to be aiming in your direction for that. Your other method of attack from below and behind is ok but beware of the Defiant banking suddenly to expose it's guns on you.
I am a bit of a Defiant fan for my sins.

Avimimus · #6 03-20-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kimosabi

Defiant needs .50 cal.

A version with twin Hispanos was proposed... probably too much of a kick to be practical though.

The defiant was apparently intended to be used in massed formations of a couple dozen aircraft - shooting up the underside of bomber formations and defending each other.

Something which interests me is whether the AI can switch to a fixed forward firing configuration (as was commonly used in real life).

Moggy · #7 03-20-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Avimimus

Something which interests me is whether the AI can switch to a fixed forward firing configuration (as was commonly used in real life).

I haven't heard of this happening, what's your source for this? I know the guns could be trained and fired forward at an angle of 19° or above. I also know there was a switch in the turret to allow the pilot to fire the guns in case the gunner was wounded in action and unable to do so. Although again, I haven't heard of this happening during the war.

bf-110 · #8 03-20-2011, 06:43 PM

It's strange that the Defiant is a fighter,since it haves no forward firing guns.
However,I hope it gets flyable.I would love to be the gunner of a flying flakvierling.

BigC208 · #9 03-20-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bf-110

It's strange that the Defiant is a fighter,since it haves no forward firing guns.
However,I hope it gets flyable.I would love to be the gunner of a flying flakvierling.

You could use it as a static vierling flak. Park it at an airport and man the guns.
Two 20mm cannon in each wing, 2000hp Merlin and you would have had a 1940 Brisfit.

ATAG_Dutch · #10 03-20-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigC208

You could use it as a static vierling ack. Park it at an airport and man the guns.

About the best idea for it too.

Even as a night fighter, they weren't too successful, with only four brownings against all that armour plate.

The lack of forward firing guns was a big mistake, but even with them, it wouldn't have been manoeverable enough to vie with 109's with all that weight to carry around. The turret and gunner I mean.

I reckon it was designed by people of a similar mindset to those who thought the 'big wing' was a great idea.

Poor old Defiant.