Trying to identify this 110 shot down in Africa or the MTO. Pictures included.

Mysticpuma · #1 01-09-2011, 01:12 PM

I was sent these by Zack Taylor who's father (also Zack Taylor) flew with the 325th FG in Africa and the MTO.

I am not sure where this aircraft was shot down, only that it doesn't look like it made it home! The images are all I have to identify this aircraft, so I wonder if anyone has the ability to work out what aircraft it was and maybe the group and pilot (only because I know some of you can work miracles!).

I make the assumption it was in 1943 but it may be very early 1944 as Zack Taylor was only with them during that time.

So here are the pictures and I wonder if they can help to identify the aircraft and unit or even the location and date?

Thanks for any help, cheers, MP

Daniël · #2 01-09-2011, 01:23 PM

http://users.hol.gr/~nowi/ Very useful website I think. I'm sorry I can't really help, I'm not a WWII squadron expert.

robtek · #3 01-09-2011, 01:31 PM

Found that:
http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...ssia-1942.html
that indicates to 6.ZG1

Wutz · #4 01-09-2011, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

I was sent these by Zack Taylor who's father (also Zack Taylor) flew with the 325th FG in Africa and the MTO.

I am not sure where this aircraft was shot down, only that it doesn't look like it made it home! The images are all I have to identify this aircraft, so I wonder if anyone has the ability to work out what aircraft it was and maybe the group and pilot (only because I know some of you can work miracles!).

I make the assumption it was in 1943 but it may be very early 1944 as Zack Taylor was only with them during that time.

So here are the pictures and I wonder if they can help to identify the aircraft and unit or even the location and date?

Thanks for any help, cheers, MP

Well the aircraft belonged to the SKG210 / ZG1 Wespengeschwader, this squadron had both Bf110 and Bf109s in service
See this site:
http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/0...-jabo-sub.html
There is a very detailed book on this squadron here which might help you identify the crew:
http://www.allbookstores.com/Sting-L.../9780764313059
Hope that helps you?

Mysticpuma · #5 01-09-2011, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robtek

Found that:
http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...ssia-1942.html
that indicates to 6.ZG1

Oddly, that would indicate that it was from Russia? This picture was taken in either Africa or Italy......but the markings correspond to your link? Odd?

Thanks for the link, cheers, MP

swiss · #6 01-09-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Oddly, that would indicate that it was from Russia? This picture was taken in either Africa or Italy......but the markings correspond to your link? Odd?

Thanks for the link, cheers, MP

No, they were moved to all fronts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zerst%C3%B6rergeschwader_1

http://www.ww2.dk/air/zerstorer/zg1.htm

PeterPanPan · #7 01-09-2011, 04:37 PM

Try posting on M4T too. Duggy there could well know the answer.

Polybius · #8 01-09-2011, 05:29 PM

That nose wasp is certainly popular. Was it really that common or is it just over emphasized by the sim community due to how supremely bad-ass it is?

winny · #9 01-09-2011, 05:33 PM

I can't tell if it's an M or an N in the lettering?

If it's an M then it's possibly this aircraft?

It's apparently recorded as being at Dimitrijewskaja, Russia in July '42 and then possibly transfered to the MTO (Sicily?) sometime late 42 early 43

No idea if any of this helps.

EDIT: Note the fuselage band, this was moved to the rear (in line with standard eastern front markings) in the winter of 42 so it was in Russia till at least then.
Also found this : I and II gruppen re-united with III gruppe in the Mediterranean theatre in mid 1943. In March-April 1943 II/ZG 1 converted to the Bf 110 G-1 and G-2 at Monte Corvino. This was the Gruppe's base until August when it was withdrawn from Italy. It would suggest a II./ZG 1 Aircraft..

Mysticpuma · #10 01-10-2011, 09:57 AM

Thanks for the replies chaps.

I asked this question on another forum, and they believe it was actually a scavenged aircraft, maybe 'captured' after the base was over-run?

The reasoning is that if it was a shot-down aircraft the aerial under the belly would have suffered damage if it had fallen from the sky?

I'm now trying to work out if this aircraft could have been shot-up and then RTB, but deemed irreparable?

Cheers, MP