Hurricane V LA-7 (for MorgothNL)

FOZ_1983 · #1 10-23-2009, 12:04 AM

Have been comparing the two and seeing how they are and this is what i came up with -

Top speed below 1000ft - Hurricane 234MPH LA-7 333MPH
Top speed at 5000ft - Hurricane 265MPH LA-7 343MPH
Top speed at 10000ft - Hurricane 268MPH LA-7 304MPH
Top speed at 20000ft - Hurricane 244MPH LA-7 290MPH

Rate of roll - LA-7 does it much quicker at all speeds/altitudes

Ammo - Hurricane 20-21 seconds worth LA-7 11-12 seconds worth

Rate of climb - LA-7 wins hands down

Visibilty from cockpit - LA-7 has much better all round visibility

Weapons - Hurricane 12 MG's (12.7mm) LA-7 2x20mm cannons

All the above is from testing the two on training, and some speeds may be a couple of MPH off, but i gave the top speeds a fair few seconds to improve before deciding to go with the listed speed. So dont take the listed speeds as 100% accurate. Also note this is justa quick "trial" so to speak to get the basics of them both as quickly as possible.

As you can see, the LA-7 is much more the favoured aircraft and to stand any chance against it in the hurricane we would have to keep you between 10000/20000ft, our saving grace is also the fact we have 20/21 seconds of ammo and the LA-7 seems to lack alot of armour making a few rounds from the 12 guns of the hurricane enough to destroy it.

The ONLY chance the hurricane has of winning is if its pilots work well together and communicate exploting any weakness of the LA-7.

If this was to go to a betting shop, they simply wouldnt take bets at all

I look forward to the match where you can prove the above is all correct

Ancient Seraph · #2 10-23-2009, 12:12 AM

Lol. We'll set a time sometime. What timezone are you on? We're at GMT+1. I'll be available tomorrow night I guess.

FOZ_1983 · #3 10-23-2009, 12:30 AM

GMT here, as is robotic pope. So were all within an hour of each other. We'll play. We know its a one horse race and the hurricane will get slaughtered, which is fine because its what we expect.

As long as we have some fun along the way and learn a few new things etc then it will be worth it.

Was amazed when comparing them earlier though. The LA-7 is incredible!! so much better in nearly every catagory. I like it.

Though what is odd it the top speed of the hurricane. It shouldnt be that low for a Mk2.

It should have a maximum top speed of roughly 300MPH, not the poor 268MPH (call it 270). That 30MPH less than its capable of, which might seem like nothing but in fact it makes alot of difference.

Ah well, beggars cant be choosers. Would be nice to have the extra MPH but its still a nice plane to fly regardless.

Swagger7 · #4 10-26-2009, 03:47 AM

I'm not surprised at the differences. There's an entire war's worth of innovation between the two.

Soviet Ace · #5 10-26-2009, 03:52 AM

I suggest if you want a Soviet aircraft, that is early enough and capable enough to dogfight the Hurricane, in a fairly even battle.... Yak-1b. Both are early, and the Yak-1b though a bit under gunned than the Hurricane. It's roll and turning etc. should give the Hurricane a good fight.

And like Swagger said, there's a whole war between the Hurricane and La-7. So it's not very surprising between the two. Try the Yak-1b against the Hurricane, and see what you get. I'd be interested to see as well.

Panzergranate · #6 10-26-2009, 03:56 AM

I looked it up..... top spped of a Hurricane is 325 MPH.

Top speed of a Spitfire Mk.II. is 357 MPH.

Top speed of a Bf-109 E is 383 MPH.

The HUrricane has 0.303" (7.62mm.) medium machine guns, not 0.50" (12.7mm.) heavy machine guns

The Hurricane has armour protecting the pilot and fuel tanks.

The La-7 carries no armour protection.

I'd bet on the Hurricane.

The Yak also has no armour protection and is made of plywood and bicycle spokes.

The Hurricane has the advantage of being designed by an Englishman (Sidney Camm) and being British made.

My money's still on the Hurricane.

If we're also talking of a Finnish pilot in the Hurricane versus a Russian pilot in a La-7 / Yak well......

I'd bet the house on the Hurricane.

Soviet Ace · #7 10-26-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Panzergranate

I looked it up..... top spped of a Hurricane is 325 MPH.

Top speed of a Spitfire Mk.II. is 357 MPH.

Top speed of a Bf-109 E is 383 MPH.

The HUrricane has 0.303" (7.62mm.) medium machine guns, not 0.50" (12.7mm.) heavy machine guns

The Hurricane has armour protecting the pilot and fuel tanks.

The La-7 carries no armour protection.

I'd bet on the Hurricane.

The Yak also has no armour protection and is made of plywood and bicycle spokes.

The Hurricane has the advantage of being designed by an Englishman (Sidney Camm) and being British made.

My money's still on the Hurricane.

If we're also talking of a Finnish pilot in the Hurricane versus a Russian pilot in a La-7 / Yak well......

I'd bet the house on the Hurricane.

Both Russian and Finnish forces flew Hurricanes. That would be something to see. A Hurricane in Finnish markings, and another Hurricane in Soviet markings. All that would stand in the way of the dogfight, is the skill of a pilot.

Also, considering the Yaks and La's didn't have armoring. It gives them the better advantage of getting on the Hurricanes tail because they are lighter, and also have a better roll rate (thanks to not having weapons in the wings, which slows a roll considerably.) So of course my money would be on the Yak/La

EDIT: Also, the Yak-1b was 25 miles faster than the Hurricane. And I know I usually say speed isn't everything. But in this case, with the Yak being so under gunned by the Hurricane. It's an exception I'm willing to give.

Panzergranate · #8 10-26-2009, 04:36 AM

The La-7 was the only Soviet all metal fighter and so wasn't the "one hit wonder" like the La-5.

The resin impregnated wings on Soviet aircraft with this building technique did have the well documented ability of shattering and splintering when taking even a single hit from a cannon shell.

I know that the Soviet pilots prized and apreciated the Hurricane and the P-40, though I'm not sure if they saw the joke with the next to useless P-39.

The recently recovered Finnish Buffalo, that was pulled out of a lake, BW-372 (actually appears in IL-2 Forgotten Battles as number 5) was involved in an airbattle with two Hurricanes and a single Mig-3 in a 3 onto 1 action.

The Buffalo out turned and downed both Hurricanes but suffered a fatal belly hit from the MIg-3 as it finished off the second Hurricane and this caused a fire.

The Finnish pilot out dived the Mig-3 and belly landed on a frozen lake, jumped out of the Buffalo and watched it immediately sink through the ice.

In 2004 the aircraft was recovered from the lake and has travelled to the US and back to Finland as work continues to restore it to flying condition.

There are still a lot of wrecks lost out in that area, as there are around Russia, just waiting to be found.

Soviet Ace · #9 10-26-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Panzergranate

The La-7 was the only Soviet all metal fighter and so wasn't the "one hit wonder" like the La-5.

The resin impregnated wings on Soviet aircraft with this building technique did have the well documented ability of shattering and splintering when taking even a single hit from a cannon shell.

I know that the Soviet pilots prized and apreciated the Hurricane and the P-40, though I'm not sure if they saw the joke with the next to useless P-39.

The recently recovered Finnish Buffalo, that was pulled out of a lake, BW-372 (actually appears in IL-2 Forgotten Battles as number 5) was involved in an airbattle with two Hurricanes and a single Mig-3 in a 3 onto 1 action.

The Buffalo out turned and downed both Hurricanes but suffered a fatal belly hit from the MIg-3 as it finished off the second Hurricane and this caused a fire.

The Finnish pilot out dived the Mig-3 and belly landed on a frozen lake, jumped out of the Buffalo and watched it immediately sink through the ice.

In 2004 the aircraft was recovered from the lake and has travelled to the US and back to Finland as work continues to restore it to flying condition.

There are still a lot of wrecks lost out in that area, as there are around Russia, just waiting to be found.

Maybe you've heard of Lake Ladoga? That's FULL of downed MiGs as well as Finish and German planes. I believe they've actually retrieved several MiGs and some later Soviet fighters from it. Not sure on whether they restored them or not. Probably did, but not to flying condition.

Panzergranate · #10 10-26-2009, 05:05 AM

Six I-16s and three I-153s have been recovered and retrned to flying condition in New Zealand.

Two of the I-16s are being used in air races. One of the I-153s is used for aerobatic displays by the US Commerative Airforce, two I-153s are used in airshows around New Zealand and I'm not sure about the other I-16s though one is used in airshows around Europe and Russia.

The Martin-Baker company, more famous now for ejector seats than its aircraft work, such as the prototype that went on to become the P-51, the MB-3, are building an exact flying replica of their MB-5 "Rapier" prototype contrarotating prop fighter that would have been the fastest fighter of WW2, if it had seen service with a top speed of 540 MPH (ye sit was faster than the Me-262). The MB-5 was intended to be a jet killer and was powered by the 2,500 HP Napier-Sabre H-Block engine.

First flown in 1944, the war ended and so it bever saw production.

Martin-Baker are building the aircraft for use as in air racrer in the 2010 annual Reno Air Races. The original MB-5 test aircraft is on display on a plinth in Reno somewhere.

It would have been nice to have had the MB-5 in IL-2 1946 on the PC.