A newbies impression of the 109 and spit

[gimpy117]

Honestly, I'm not really impressed with the me, only because the spit seems to be a clown wagon. I don't know if im over turning the me-109, but to me it seems even the spit Ia can toy with 2 aircraft (did it against a Bf-110 and Me-109) and still came out on top. It just turns so darn well without stalling, which just seems suspect to me. I know it had "the better turn rate", but the spit seems really easy to make fly it's best rather than the me 109.
I just don't get it...to me it just seems like an aircraft with the proper difficulty of a fighter is pitted against a Cessna 172 that can make good speed and has .308 guns. I really don't know if this is realistic or not...but it just seems dubious to me. I think both planes would be more evenly matched if the spit wasn't so brain dead easy to fly, and it actually took effort to pull high AoA turns in the spit like it seems to in the 109. It just seems like night and day. The Me-109 you have to think about turn rates, and not bleeding energy to stay in the air...and the spit is more like "whats energy again I've got pretty wings and a Merlin remember!"

[Robo.]

Do you mean Spitfire Mk.II or Mk.I?

[robtek]

He wrote about the spit 1a.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by robtek

He wrote about the spit 1a.

It just said 'Spit' at the time I was reading it, sorry.

Anyway, the 2 German pilots were not very good then.

[Osprey]

They must've been idiots.

Try it post patch and have more than one flight.

[gimpy117]

I'm speaking about the Spit Ia or really all the spits. I think it's too easy to fly in general. Not really too fast, but just too easy in general to skillfully maneuver. I suppose I wasn't clear as to what i was talking of

lets put it this way:

In ROF the Camel has also been characterized as having a very light and touchy elevator, this makes the camel the most agile plane in the game...but also tricky to fly...yet rewarding. Currently with my limited experience with the spit it seems to not have touchy elevators, but just effective everything controls.

I dunno, I was reading reports from German pilots saying: (paraphrasing) "was on par with the ME-109 or inferior, unless flown by an exceptional pilot". Now, I just jumped in the thing and played around in the mud, with garbage tactics when i knew i should be dead...and won...flying circles around these guys...and I'm no master pilot as far as i know.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I dunno, I was reading reports from German pilots saying: (paraphrasing) "was on par with the ME-109 or inferior, unless flown by an exceptional pilot".

I would say that this is very much the case in the sim. It certainly is inferior to the 109.

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Now, I just jumped in the thing and played around in the mud, with garbage tactics when i knew i should be dead...and won...flying circles around these guys...and I'm no master pilot as far as i know.

I suggest you try her a bit more against competent pilots, that might give you better picture.

[335th_GRAthos]

I think you are already self-consious enough Gimpy with the title of your post "A newbies...."

Just out of curiocity, you are flying with Complex Engine Management ON and all additional difficulty options engaged and, you are testing the Spit 1a against online pilots (not AI), right?

A well flown Bf109 rules over a Spit 1a, unless the Bf109 run out of ammo...

~S~

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I'm speaking about the Spit Ia or really all the spits. I think it's too easy to fly in general. Not really too fast, but just too easy in general to skillfully maneuver. I suppose I wasn't clear as to what i was talking of

lets put it this way:

In ROF the Camel has also been characterized as having a very light and touchy elevator, this makes the camel the most agile plane in the game...but also tricky to fly...yet rewarding. Currently with my limited experience with the spit it seems to not have touchy elevators, but just effective everything controls.

I dunno, I was reading reports from German pilots saying: (paraphrasing) "was on par with the ME-109 or inferior, unless flown by an exceptional pilot". Now, I just jumped in the thing and played around in the mud, with garbage tactics when i knew i should be dead...and won...flying circles around these guys...and I'm no master pilot as far as i know.

Indeed this is the most annoying thing about the whole Spit model, which was very much like the famous Camel in this regard. The elevator touchiness is not modeled (nor was in old Il-2). Every manual, report, pilot commenting on the issue noted that the Spitfire elevator was exceedingly light, and sensitive and required very delicate control. Stick force / g was in the order of 4 lbs / G, so you could easily pull 12-13 Gs with one hand, which would certainly black you out in short order, stall or even break the aircraft.

In Il-2 COD, pulling the sick full back not even stalled the Spit II for example...

The handling is fishy for all aircraft I would say, its very hard to stall them and outright impossible to break them (and I tried really hard flying in the most dangerous fashion possible: full nose up trim AND full stick-on-stomach at the end of the dive at around 350-400 mph IAS, which would be certain to break any fighter in the game two, but you simply can't...). I guess its just more profilic in the case of the Spit, which had ultra sensitive pitch control compared to all others.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hi gimpy117!

Hope you can join us sometime on the ATAG server -- be sure to have Teamspeak installed!

Snapper