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Old 11-23-2011, 11:06 PM
Skoshi Tiger Skoshi Tiger is offline
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My SSD just died!

Firstly I restarted my PC and it booted to windows but when I logged on I conly got a black screen with a mouse pointer. I could bring up task manager but didn't have a desktop.

I rebooted a couple of times, verified that I could still boot into a Windows vista (I had set it up as a dual boot) on another drive.

Then when I tried to reboot windows 7 again my PC froze when the BIOS froze when detecting the SSD. After I removed the SSD it booted up to Vista OK

I'll try to see if I can get the drive working at work?

It has been a bit warm lately, 37C outside, but I've had it working on hotter days!

My life is just not complete now! When's Pay Day?
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:19 AM
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I had the same problem, but only started when I installed Steam and CLOD onto my Win7 C:drive SSD and I was defragging the SSD a few times. It just went to CRAP.

Something to do with the memmory cells filling up with moved and deleted crap. But the system saying it was free space but it really was not. Its a SSD thing.

SO I had to wipe the SSD/format and reinstall win7. Runs smooth as silk again and has for months. I made the decision to INSTALL STEAM on a seperate drive and not the C: win SSD. Problem solved. Before the problem I was running Win7 on my SSD since it came out. Boots in 34 seconds and still does

So a note to all. Do not install Steam on your SSD and don't Defrag it can clog up your SSD if you are running windows on it.

best rule. Just install Windows on the SSD and everything else on other drives. Keeps windows running sweet.
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:02 AM
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I was defragging the SSD a few times
Don't. Defragging a SSD achieves nothing other than shortening its life. With no moving parts, file fragmentation isn't an issue in the first place
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:17 AM
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To add to the above, SSD fragmentation is actually beneficial. In addition to increasing drive life by using all cells more or less equally, data being retrieved from multiple flash chips allows the controller to read in parallel and thereby increase read speeds.
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Old 11-24-2011, 03:37 AM
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Tried the SSD in a PC at work but no luck. Computers won't even boot with the drive plugged in.

Luckly since I've had network storage, theres not much except programs on the SSD to start with.

For about $190.00AUD I should be able to pick up a new 120GB drive and start off with a clean slate.


Hmm! time to back up the Network storage!!!!!
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:02 AM
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did you made any changes in BIOS? were you using it as IDE or SATA (AHCI)?
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:43 AM
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As it has already beeing said, you never defrag an SSD!
From one side, it does not improve anything on the reading speed as there are no mechanical parts involved in the reading data process.
From the other side, SSDs have they own internal system to write data onto different sectors every time, in order to avoid overusing the same area.
As the memory chips have a limited number of "write" times, writing continously on the same area will eventually lead to a failure (that particular area can not be used any more).
This is normaly no problem as the internal SSD system knows how to cope with it and stops using that specific area and reallocates any data elsewhere (this process happens in the background and the user notices nothing of it). For exactly this reason, at least in the past (I have no idea about newer SSDs) we used to never allocate the full size of the SSD but instead leave some 5% unallocated which could be used by the SSD system to replace any overused areas.

How old was your SSD hard disk? It is still rather strange that it happened.
The disk does not boot because one of the boot files for Win7 is damaged. OK with that.
But, if you connect the disk as a second hard disk on another PC, can you read te contents of the disk? Normally you should...
It can also be that a file was damaged and that replacing it would solve the problem.
Anyway, it is not worth experimenting if it is only $120 for the replacement.
But I believe you would probably be able to use your old SSD still. Just in case, this time, do not particition the whole SSD but leave 5%-10% unallocated.

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Old 11-25-2011, 04:14 AM
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did you made any changes in BIOS? were you using it as IDE or SATA (AHCI)?
Using SATA - couldn't find any AHCI settings in my motherboard BIOS (NV 790i ultra board).

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As it has already beeing said, you never defrag an SSD!
From one side, it does not improve anything on the reading speed as there are no mechanical parts involved in the reading data process.
From the other side, SSDs have they own internal system to write data onto different sectors every time, in order to avoid overusing the same area.
As the memory chips have a limited number of "write" times, writing continously on the same area will eventually lead to a failure (that particular area can not be used any more).
This is normaly no problem as the internal SSD system knows how to cope with it and stops using that specific area and reallocates any data elsewhere (this process happens in the background and the user notices nothing of it). For exactly this reason, at least in the past (I have no idea about newer SSDs) we used to never allocate the full size of the SSD but instead leave some 5% unallocated which could be used by the SSD system to replace any overused areas.

How old was your SSD hard disk? It is still rather strange that it happened.
The disk does not boot because one of the boot files for Win7 is damaged. OK with that.
But, if you connect the disk as a second hard disk on another PC, can you read te contents of the disk? Normally you should...
It can also be that a file was damaged and that replacing it would solve the problem.
Anyway, it is not worth experimenting if it is only $120 for the replacement.
But I believe you would probably be able to use your old SSD still. Just in case, this time, do not particition the whole SSD but leave 5%-10% unallocated.

~S~
I checked it out at the shop I bought the original drive from, and it was a year and a half old and unfortunately out of warranty. Looks like the controller board died.

Anyhoo I ended up buying a 120 GB SSD to replace it (with a three year warranty!!!) and spent last night getting my PC up and running again.

I had a Windows 7 upgrade disk that is a complete 'B' and required me to install windows Vista on the new drive before doing a clean install. Unfortuantely Windows Vista kept on blue screening during the install.

Eventually I got to a point where Vista accepted my authentification code before crapping out. From that point the Windows 7 upgrade allowed me to do a clean install!

What a waste of time just to save a few dollars for an upgrade disk!

Hopefully I will learn for the next version of windows that comes out!

Any way now I've got a completely fresh system with Windows 7, Anti virus, various drivers and COD!

What else could a man want!

Cheers!
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:47 AM
KG26_Alpha KG26_Alpha is offline
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Using SATA - couldn't find any AHCI settings in my motherboard BIOS (NV 790i ultra board).



I checked it out at the shop I bought the original drive from, and it was a year and a half old and unfortunately out of warranty. Looks like the controller board died.

Anyhoo I ended up buying a 120 GB SSD to replace it (with a three year warranty!!!) and spent last night getting my PC up and running again.

I had a Windows 7 upgrade disk that is a complete 'B' and required me to install windows Vista on the new drive before doing a clean install. Unfortuantely Windows Vista kept on blue screening during the install.

Eventually I got to a point where Vista accepted my authentification code before crapping out. From that point the Windows 7 upgrade allowed me to do a clean install!

What a waste of time just to save a few dollars for an upgrade disk!

Hopefully I will learn for the next version of windows that comes out!

Any way now I've got a completely fresh system with Windows 7, Anti virus, various drivers and COD!

What else could a man want!

Cheers!
Ermm



And

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/preview


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