[Nikitns]

Originally Posted by Zeke Wolff

No, you are incorrect Nikitns. The Panther hasn´t been nerfed, it has in fact 2mm thicker (82mm) than it should´ve (80mm).

Armor thickness of the Panther were:

Panther V Ausf. D
Turret: front (100mm), Side (45mm), Rear (45mm), Top/Bottom (16mm)
Hull: Front [upper] (80mm), Front [lower] (60mm), Side (40mm), Rear (40mm), Top/Bottom (16mm)
Gun mantlet: (100mm)

Panther V Ausf. A
Turret: front (110mm), Side (45mm), Rear (45mm), Top/Bottom (16mm)
Hull: Front [upper] (80mm), Front [lower] (60mm), Side (40mm), Rear (40mm), Top/Bottom (16mm)
Gun mantlet: (100mm)

Panther V Ausf. G
Turret: front (110mm), Side (45mm), Rear (45mm), Top/Bottom (16mm)
Hull: Front [upper] (80mm), Front [lower] (60mm), Side (40mm), Rear (40mm), Top/Bottom (16-40mm)
Gun mantlet: (100mm)

A few of the very first produced Panther V Ausf. D´s had 60mm frontal upper armor, since that was the armor thickness that was originally designed. After a few vehicles had been produced, the manufacturers were ordered to use thicker frontal armor and it became 80mm on the upper front slooping hull, but remained at 60mm at the lower frontal hull.

Theoretically the Pz.Kpfw. IV armed with the 75mmL/48 gun were able to defeat the T34/85 from the front at a range of 2,000 metres. It´s gun could punch thru 64mm of armor at that range, however it isnt very likely but yes, it could be done with some luck (and if war anything can happen).

Finally there is only two "statistics" and unit values for MoW:

1: Single player/Editor (these settings are the same).
2: Multiplayer

~Zeke.

ah, well half my point still stands I guess

Originally Posted by Crni vuk

Yes it could from any angle. We are talking about the Panzer IV H which got the new 75mm KwK 40 L/48 where the Panzer IV F and some G had the KwK 75mm 40 L/43, the Panzer IV E had a very short 75mm. The KwK 40 L/48 was a huge improvement regarding earlier versions with the armor of the T34/76 in mind. And thus it had no trouble to penetrate the T34 from any angle up to 2000m (aprox). And since the T34/85 had only a new turret but the same body like the T34/76 it should be easy for the Panzer IV to crack the hull even on long distance. Only the Turret was very well armored considering the fact it was a design with the KV85 in mind if I remember correctly.

zeke said the L/48 would've penetrated 67mm at 2km, but the T-34/85 was 50mm or something sloped. If we add angles to this, I doubt it.