[House MD 221B]

Originally Posted by The Few

Glad there is some common ground. Yeah, they should stick to something they're good at like writing songs about masturbation instead of manufacturing dissent.

Any way I'm done with this, always down for more Green Day bashing tho, haha.

I've enjoyed this. you are indeed an interesting person to debate with.

Again, painting with a broad brush. If you want to call someone idiots then at least level the blame equally. You can't possibly believe that the Democrats are with out blame and have the best interest of every American in mind. Both parties are just as corrupt. Most of America's woes were not created by Republicans alone but by all the talking heads in Congress who smugly posture away their term instead doing their job. You are completely over simplifying the people who share those principles and the causes for America's "woes".

I quite agree, but Clinton did alot of good, lowest unemployment in how long? Bush and his party undid ALOT of that.

Both wars were supported by Republicans and Democrats alike. If the left had issue with G.W.B.'s desire to go to war they should have taken issue with it from the outset instead of waiting to use it as a platform for reelection. The recession was in part created by Democratic/Republican Reps. failing to oversee it's own institutions (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac), while also mandating them to take on riskier lending practices (Clinton Administration). I'm not putting the "blame" on the Clinton Admin. just mentioning it as a contributing factor. Congress knew about the looming issues with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two in advance and failed to blow the whistle because both parties were receiving incentives to not take action. Again, this is just another contributor not the cause or the answer but one link in chain that would take all day to talk about and many have nothing to do with politics.

It was my understanding there was a LARGE outcry from the left. however 911 allowed Bush carte blanche to do as he pleases, e.g. Patriot Act. I'll leave that topic there, becuase you guys get touchy about it.

as for the recession, that is relatively partyless, and also largely down to the lending companies allowing stupid finances, its also not just an american flaw, its the entire developed worlds fault, for wreckless spending, so that I retract.

As for the last bit, that's cool, i did not know that. it's interesting.

Don't be condescending and pretend like I'm an uneducated fool. Republicans are similar to Conservatives, really? Who would have guessed that? Thank God not all Republicans think alike. Some of us are even, I don't know if I should dare say it, PROGRESSIVE!

It's common sense that spending cannot increase with tax cuts. Any non ignoramus can see the problems that will create without the use Joseph Smith's seer stone and hat. You know what? There were Republicans critical of the President from their own party! Might that be called thinking for your self? I've never been a Bush supporter and felt like he was handed the 2000 nomination over better candidates (not good ones, just better). I've never towed a party line that doesn't satisfy my own criticism first and if more fools in congress could show the same criticism of their own party leadership *gasp* transparency and trust might begin to trickle into a bloated government that has been ailing from the same petty BS for far to long.

It wasn't a question in case you didnt get the semantics, its because although you may be familiar with your 80's history, you may not be familiar with OUR 80's history. the point of that paragraph was that Margaret Thatcher and EVERY British conservative before AND after STILL hasnt grasped the concept that it doesnt work, that was a criticism of British Tories, NOT you or americans. but good for you, for not supporting Bush, Im AMAZED he wasn't impeached, and how blindly everyone ignored the MASSIVE fraud against the nation. But as I say they did it very well, just not well enough to NOT get caught.

I'm not sure how my previous comment made me uneducated and yes it was direct. Much better to be direct then beat around the bush making agonizingly neutral statements like a Canadian (I love you Canada thank you for tolerating me for so long). If your concern is American government interfering with your own I think that is an issue to take up with your own leadership. If the British PM doesn't have the balls to tell someone to f**k off I wouldn't respect them either. I value the lives of your boys as much as my own so please don't minimize my friends that are risking their lives while doing their job and compare it to something that is the equivalent of looking for the Easter Bunny.

I am very educated about the nature and histories of both parties. I don't know how you can make the assumption that I don't. Check out Bull Moose. If you want to talk about past evils look up which party it was that supported slavery, you might be surprised.

Who is Conway Twitty? I have a ridiculously large music collection and I am stumped. If he is some sort of pop country musician that parades around with a Ford logo on his guitar then I would have no idea who he is. More of a CCR guy, love Ryan Adams too. You are very perceptive, .45's are the best!!!

1) i dont get what Canada has to do with it, maybe i missed something.

2) I was, I criticised Blair heavily for whimsically committing us to war.

3) Don't pretend you have any more friends out there than anyone else, I've lost 1 friend out there, 1 other class mate, and I have 2 more friends still out there and 1 who was thankfully demobilised. nearly EVERYONE knows someone, talking about it doesnt = uncaring, i can also NOT agree with why we're there without somehow wishing harm to all involved. also we should not pretend we're out there righting wrongs, or solving injustices, North Korea / China's oppression over Tibet, Zimbabwe's tyrrany... if ONLY they had oil and maybe we'd care.

and yes I do indeed know that Abraham Lincoln, was a REPUBLICAN and VERY AGAINST SLavery... republicans are NOT evil, I get it, I also never said it. Republicans HAVE done good, I am sure, but right now, Republicans have done themselves a LOT of harm, and the democrats, while also not perfect because hey guess what THEY'RE A POLITICAL PARTY, is the lesser of two evils.

Conway Twitty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_Twitty

country and western singer, kinda cheesy... i only know who he is through family guy, im more of a classic rock person, it just sounded funny.

.45 is indeed superior, and Ryan Adams does in-deed rock, no-one knows who he is when i talk about him.

Yes I am patriotic but that in no way implies that I am blind or an idiot. Show me where I gave praise. I didn't, you merely implied it because I decried the gross generalization of people who align themselves with the ideals of Republicanism (maybe you were only referring to the Reps. themselves but that is not they way your statement read). The Democrats are not angels and saviors of humanity they pretend to be. They just had a brush with some election fraud of their own in Minnesota, not to say it wasn't shady as hell on both sides.

After all that I guess what I'm trying to say is I just don't like it when my principles get attacked in a forum criticizing communism/fascism when they couldn't be more polar

I was referring to the Reps themselves, but I can see why that was misconstrued it was not clear.

I also wasnt trying to call either party fascist or communist.

I have enjoyed this, it's nice to finally have an intelligent conversation with someone who has an interesting opinion to share, who also knows how to have a debate. Thank you