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Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead
You sure it was the UB and not the 20mm cannon on the Pe-8? Cannons in the tail and on the back of that plane. The IL-4 has a UB on its back.
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I had to turn the Pe-8, else you cannot fire from the engine gondolas, so yes, I'm pretty sure, and also the traces were pure white, and only white(IIRC ShvaK has slightly roseish and yellowish white traces), and RoF was what I would expect from a HMG not a cannon. And I did check what happens when firing from the top of a Pe-8, just to be sure, and the results are more devastating, engine gone in a few shots, wings usually break with first burst.