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Originally Posted by carguy_
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2300
This thread shows the situation. I stress, the mod supporters were never able to deny valid vanilla supporters` arguments.
I got over it some time ago as I quit IL2 in 2007. The thing worthy of remembering is what kind of people former IL2 community had all along. Sad.
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That thread shows a lot more than I think you realize.
I think everyone here should take the time to read that thread. All 100+ pages of it and compare it to the reality 12+ months later.. Very interesting stuff. That 113 page thread thread went from 11/21/07 to 1/10/08 and pretty much covered just about every argument pro and con on the mods.
Carguy
the " mod supporters", at least the ones here, don't have to deny jack. The history speaks for itself. The work speaks for itself. Look at that thread.
Really read the whole thing, including many of your posts, and compare it with the facts of today.. Oh.. that's right.. you cant do that... you quit IL2 when that thread was being made most likely.. because it was the end of the world right? So basically anything you have to say on the subject is coming from misinformation and speculation on what happened in other sims way back when.. Y'know, it's interesting. 95% of the stuff in there as far as worries and prophecies of doom for online flying in IL2 from several people, YOU included, have not even come to pass. Not even close. Right now there are over 600 folks on HL.. on a Tuesday @1915 EST. So much for the death of online play...
I said it then.. I'll say it now... the sim is hacked. Get over it.
If you cant do that then do like Carguy did and leave... but STFU about it because it is a moot point.
Seriously.....
Today there is a history to go along with it. Unlike back when that thread was created, posted in and locked...
it is now a year later... and the work speaks for itself. The integrity of this community speaks for itself. We are not a community of cheaters and the modders are not "pimply faced teenagers".
I waited almost a year (9 months from when this all started) before I tried any of the mods. It was D-Day of 08 that I finally tried them. I am glad I waited... they were worth the wait.
The old arguments need to be revised. Like them or not, there is no denying that the mods have not hurt the sim. They have not ruined online flying. The expected FM & DM mods have not come en masse.... Most of the mods are functional improvements and immersion boosters.. and as I have said from day one.. they aren't going anywhere no matter who likes them or doesnt. Those who insist on seeing the doom and gloom where there is none need to look at today and stop looking at this issue from the prism of the past.
Carguy you talk about the "kind of people former IL2 community had all along" as if the current community were somehow deviant or had less character. That is BS man..[i] now if you didn't
mean it that way and I just took it wrong then I apologize now... but somehow I think that you seem to be insinuating that because many in this community have chosen to use the mods that have been out for over a year now, and actually like some of them with little if any ill effects, at the very least nothing that a reinstall cant fix... and people had issues with patches... official patches.. that they are somehow bad people or have tarnished the community.
If that is what you DID mean then I totally disagree with you and I say that the fact that 12+ months after the initial "crime" there are NOT widespread FM-DM-Wep mods, hack kiddies have NOT taken over the sim, UFOs have not invaded HyperLobby , in all this the community is generally policing itself. There are now maps for Slovenia, The Med... with Italy Africa & Greece, The Phillipines, Burma, The English Channel.. and more... there are flyable bombers with cockpits, IL2 1946 has probably sold more because of these mods, although I dont have the figures, from what I understand the mods don't work on the downloaded version.
Now all this may go to rot in a year or two... if that is to be the case that was the fact
the moment the sim was hacked and you and others like you can shortchange yourself by not flying... or whatever you want to do. Me? I am going to continue to enjoy this sim that I have invested thousands in flying over the past 7 years... and enjoy the h@ll out of it while I can.