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Originally Posted by MaxGunz
From 2002 discussions on trim with Oleg I got some answers.
Question was why holding the stick steady off center doesn't get the same speed/acceleration as stick centered by trim. After all, trim will move a hands-off stick or column.
Answer worked out to that we think the stick is held steady but it is not. This is mainly due to hardware, short gaming sticks and small involuntary muscle tremors.
This is partly borne out by the reported results from those who made and use full size sticks to play IL-2.
And since 2002 the impact of needing to be trimmed has been less.
For my part, and you can easily check this yourself, there are two things that help.
1) use a light touch on your joystick. Try flying holding the stick with just 2 fingers and thumb just for while.
When you catch yourself resting your arm weight on the stick or elbow on the table, get your arm up so it's not weighing the stick down. If you find yourself clenching the stick, loosen up. Besides the weight and ham-handing those are great ways to transmit tiny muscle tremors to the stick.
2) go into stick sensitivity and add FILTER to the pitch/elevator axis. Try about 50% at first. Maybe you need more or less but you should see results in minutes of testing. FILTER will flatten out the small and fast shakes even at less than 50% while yes, slowing your jerk-speed by a fraction of a second that you can see by watching the red and green blocks in the stick test area of the same stick sensitivity screen.
It's not perfect but you should gain something if you're not already light-handed and using FILTER.
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I long ago came to the conclusion that I needed to ensure that my stick position was consistent and properly anchored, in order to limit things like resting forearms on the desk and the like; to that end, I bought a 5/8” (approx. 16mm) thick seasoned hardwood plank about 28” long and 13” wide. My flight sim computer’s desk has a keyboard tray about 24” wide, so I cut out 2”x 2”sections out of the corners (which keeps the tray from sliding in & out on me) and then cut out holes that closely match the outlines of my CH Combatstick and Pro Throttle, with the Combatstick almost in the center of the tray (3” offset to the right). The stick fits in the hole rather snugly, and the stick will stay where it is while I thrash it about. I recommend the idea to anyone who has trouble keeping his stick from running away from him.
So for the last six or seven years, my stick, pedals and throttle have been in exactly the same spot, which cut down on a lot of problems that plague other simmers, especially the ones who use sticks that feature heavy springs and no way to anchor the darn things.
I haven't played with filtering very much, though; that's a worthwhile suggestion. Thanks.
The addition of a smaller pot in series with the larger one is also a good idea; one of my nephews managed to break the case of my CH Yoke several years back so I took it apart and used the electronics as a base for a trim and button box; trouble is, the pots will only use about (the most linear) 60 degrees of rotation, so just breathing on them can be excessive when I try to use them for trim in
Il-2 (not so much with FSX or the DCS Mustang, but you still have to be careful).
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