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Old 03-12-2013, 10:40 PM
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some findings etc...

ONE of confirmations - 29:53 - yak-9t and only one type of shells, apparently, APs...


and, by the way, just about shells for guns... hispano - 20x110, HE-shell - 130 g in total, around 10 g of explosives... right? well, of course, better than shvak what personally i and see in game...

VYA-23 - 23x152, HE-shell - 201/15.6 - ie more explosives, almost like in minengeschoss if 18 g it's correctly, more weight ie more fragments which can damage pilot/fuel etc (it's fragment with weight around 5 g) and could be more fragments which can damage design of plane (it's fragment with weight around 20 g)...

well, and personally i can't say what vya really better than hispano... or difference very little (like and with shvak vs hispano)... or i'm mistaken...


pilot talks about repaired la-5 without sliding part of canopy, because pilot accidentally dropped this...

i think plane really could flew without canopy (f. e. no new canopy for repair at moment of sortie) and, maybe, for fun need to do this like for german planes...

oh, and he talks about polished la-5fn... well, some soviet pilots/regiments really no had too much combat sorties, so, i think it's could be not too rare cases, but and not really mass practice... my opinion, it's could be something like around 575-585 kph at sl of normal plane + 5-10...

well, all this another explanation why in RL especially russian planes had very different performances (here interesting photo, look at wing and again, how looks front bullet proof of la-5fn)...


about ammunition and ammo belts for cannons of all il-2s...

for example, vya-23 and shvak were not AT guns, and can destroy only light and some middle tanks (or some tanks in some places), but HE/HEI shells of these guns for example can't destroy locomotive in train, so - apparently, because i don't have documents and use only logic, some photos and rumors - belts could be very different and depends on type of targets...

if main target was front line/infantry/AA guns/trucks etc ie soft targets, in ammobelts main type was HE-shells or only he-shells, if targets were not soft targets like trains/tanks/251s etc, especially in 41-43, could be like "mainly AP" or something like this... shvak was not so powerful, so, apparently il-2s with shvaks could have mainly or only he shells in ammo belt... il-2s with ns-37, apparently, had belts like il-2s with vya-23...

so, my opinion, need to do this and i think what old system of loads does not comply with requirements of historicity and gameplay...


attached some examples (1, vya-23 and only HE shells, 2, can't understand, 3, wooden box with inscription "23 мм ОЗ" and really HEI shells)...

here just how looks belt with AP shells for ns-37...

here oruzheyniki s lentoy (apparently, 1 ap - 1 he), here apparently la-5 (1 he - 3 ap), here mainly HEs, here very interesting ammo belt of captured il-2 with vya-23 (personally i see APs and only one HE), here captured il-2 with shvaks (personally i see only HEs), here captured il-2 with different rockets (not sure, maybe, different fuses), here il-2 in 41-42 with something like m-13/rofs-132, here just how looks vya-23 in wing, here another captured il-2, here just il-2 with rockets, here mainly/only HEs, here only? HEs/HEIs, here different shells for shvak, here different shells for ns-37 (sometimes, 3 APs or HEs), here only or mainly one type (HEs?), here something like 3 AP - 1 HE?, here or here mainly AP shells, here can't understand, here only? APs (looks like il-2 two-seater with am-38f and new roketnye orudiya), here apparently mainly APs, well, and it's all what i found at this moment only in some sources...

and, just interesting pics with il-2, here il-2 in flight (look at fairing of landing gear, here, better quality), here rs-132 "short", here attack of il-2...
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