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Old 10-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Glider Glider is offline
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Didn't think you would take up the challange.

Just to avoid any confusion this is the challenge

I have a challange for you. Pick any combat, from any of the lists you like, be it a Spitfire, P47, P51 whatever, totally your choice. And we will analyse the ten combats either side of the one you picked and see how many of those involved involved a turning horizontal combat.

I repeat the choice of aircraft, list and combat is totally yours. I don't think I can be fairer than that.
Lets see if you are willing to use those combat reports to prove your point


This in relation to your 95% of all combats involved turning combats

I have already disproved your statement about the Slow turning Spitfire combat, you will remember your statement that nearly all high speed turns are stall turns. I also disproved your statement about P47's not fighting in the vertical, remember that you only found one example and it took me four minutes to find another.

So right now your batting average is less than good.
I am confident that I can disprove your statement about 95% of air combat being sustained turns thats what the challange is about.

Why don't you provide the examples. So you can start with the 10-20 examples of a P47 fighting in turning fights.

PS another fire and climb example http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...-29april44.jpg
PPS another one http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...-29april44.jpg
PPPS And another one http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...in-30jan44.jpg
PPPPS Guess what http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...e-8april44.jpg

edit Re the P47 turning compapred to the Me109. I have always believed that this differs with speed. At the slower speeds the 109 would have the advantage, at higher speeds the P47 (and P51) gain the advantage. This is down to the simple fact that the 109 control forces become very difficult at speed, a fact reported in a number of pilot statements and generally supported by the combat reports

Last edited by Glider; 11-11-2012 at 11:04 PM. Reason: Adding the P47 / Me109 turning