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Originally Posted by JtD
IceFire, don't waste your time. You can bring up all sorts of evidence, and as soon as they don't fit the theory, they'll be ignored. For instance we have the Russian tests that give ~18s sustained turn time for the Spitfire vs. ~22s for the 190, but because they used black magic during these tests they are no valid argument.
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Well they also quoted the Spitfire Mk IX at a best turn rate of 17.5 seconds, while the best for a Spitfire Mk V is 18.8 sec...
Apparently "Planes of Fame" thinks the reverse is more plausible. It's only a 1.3 second implausibility mind you, but then they come up with the P-47D:
27 seconds best turn time... Bf-109G: 22 seconds...
So what did KG 200 mean when they said "The P-47D out-turns our Bf-109G?" ("On Special Missions: KG 200")
That was with an underpowered needle-tip prop P-47D Razorback by the way: Same exact thing as the Russians had...
If they can get it wrong by
more than FIVE whole seconds, then why could the FW-190A not just as easily be at 18 seconds?
In the real world, the
Front-Line Russians found the Spitfire Mk V so inadequate for turn-fighting they changed their tactics to dive and zoom just for its benefit, and they even tried to remove its outer guns to help it turn, to no avail... (Source: Le Fana de l'Aviation #496 p.40.) The Spitfire Mk IX was in fact no better for turns and probably slightly worse...
So what I am asking you is to cite here your reasons for choosing the Russian test values over the KG 200 evaluation conclusion:
Insert reasons here: _________________________________________
Mind you
all 600 P-47D combat reports here are completely on the German side, with no exceptions...:
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...r-reports.html
Insert Reasons for ignoring them here:___________________________.
My reason for ignoring the Russian turn rate values is they have no counterparts in real life combat for the heavier types... Ever. And that shows an apparent bias that is understandable, but still a bias. Mystery of mysteries, the bias completely disapears when bullets are flying...
Gaston