[QUOTE=Mysticpuma;464217]I think it's also worthwhile adding that in this thread:
"http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34369"
the first post by BlackSix reads:
"Attention! Please ask questions for Luthier in this thread. He will try to answer them tonight."
This followed Luthier saying here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...63&postcount=1
"I'll be back at the end of the day to answer your questions".
Falstaff "I meant to post this earlier....it is silly to scape-goat Luthier or make him the poster-boy".
I'm just pointing out he was the one who came forward and offered to answer the questions, so he is the point of contact.
Let's also remember BlackSix saying that the answers weren't coming last-week as it was a Saturday and they don't work Saturday's!
So regarding my original post. I work most of the week, but I do visit the forums regularly. I make time to post (like now). It's a few minutes...that's all.
If they had spent a few minutes each week over the last-year telling us that the issues raised, the bugs reported, the suggestions given were actually of use and interest to them AND ACTED ON THEM, the software would be in a far better state than it is now, it would represent the input and knowledge of a simming community that really does know what it's on about and it would have held more authority if they had actively responded to the BETA TESTERS input as this is what we were told we were????
Remember everyone saying "IT'S A BETA", well after all the bugs that the players found and posted, the issues they raised, the questions they asked....we find out that the bugtracker isn't even read by the Developer's?
What's the point of releasing Beta Patches and we then get told we are Beta testing....only to not actually bother listening to the reports on the testing itself?
It's this type of 'support' that just makes me think that we are currently being strung along until the 'NEW' BoM comes out. I look forward to hearing the words "Place-holders" and "not final graphics/FM/DM/Weather/Features" being used until at least a year after it's release.....and then there'll be a sequel that will fix that too!
So I ask again. To rebuild some trust and faith in those who actually do care about this software (CloD not BoM for now), please answer some the questions you asked for and get one of your software developers to actually look at the Bug tracker and see what the main issues really are.
How the hell can you expect to fix the software when you aren't even looking at the issues and listening to your beta (patch) testers?
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Originally Posted by Walrus1
Bingo.
This forum, a 'company forum,' has become dominated by people who obviously dislike the game, have no faith in it's future/the future of the series and harangue the developers whenever they make an appearance. Why this is allowed to continue by the moderators is a mystery to me.
Okay, so we are not entitled to an opinion.
Please let me find my Rose tinted glasses!
The whole point here is that there is nowhere else to voice our opinions. There are problems. Are they unique? How do I find out? I ask the other members on these forums.
I then hope the developer's respond (the don't).
If it's an issue, I raise a bug report.
"has become dominated by people who obviously dislike the game, have no faith in it's future/the future of the series and harangue the developers whenever they make an appearance"
Because if they don't listen how the hell can we get the software working properly?
The problem is "the don't listen". If they did why would we (after 18-months) be told that they don't even read the bug tracker? That's because "they don't listen".
Why release a beta patch? Beta patches are for beta testing, we give Beta reports. They don't read the Bug tracker and they don't read the threads where bugs are reported?
What's the point in this amount of feedback and testing;
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=33610
B6 wrote "The main goal of this version of the patch is, once again, to locate and fix any remaining crash bugs. Please continue sending in your logs and crash dumps to
ishevchenko@1cpublishing.eu
Please enable logging in your conf.ini (Log=1). If the game crashes, send us the log file it creates in your [My Documents]\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover folder, and any .dmp files created in a cppdump folder under the main game installation."
when the only people who are going to make an effort are those affected by it?
If you are going to release a Beta patch at-least listen to the replies and responses to issues raised?
But they already said they are not even reading them.
So the only reason there are "whiners" here is because they cause people to whine! If they responded, regularly spoke with the community...LISTENED to the community, CloD would be vastly superior to what it is today.
MP
An additional note:
However I should have added that if Luthier wishes to spend some time actually answering the questions HE requested, I do look forward to hearing how CloD will be fixed/patched and how they will actively look at fixing the Bugs detected in the BETA release before the very final Retail version.
So Beta testers prepare to post your findings at the link Luthier will promise to have read by those looking to make a working retail patch.
Link please for that promise of reading should be a priority and a promise.
I really don't want to see another post from Luthier asking what are the issues we have had? Isn't that what everyone has been posting on these forums!
PLEASE READ THE RESULTS OF TESTING LUTHIER or get someone to do it!
MP