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Originally Posted by tk471138
wow...lol so i guess not buying into the socialistic and collectivist dogma means im "brainwashed" because i want to enjoy the right to self determination i am "brainwashed"
Freedom is innate because of the fact that human beings enjoy free will. and it has to do with natural law or common law, which is THOUSANDS of years old...(of course their is always an idiot who will say....well these laws are so old so it must not be relevant, to counter this all you have to do is point out many common laws such as those against murder or theft, those are also thousands of years old, much older than the constitution or declaration of independence)
im talking to people who keep bringing up irrelevant topics and reasons why i should abandon freedom, for some false sense of security, or safety....
its clear that you people dont know how law works....its clear that you dont understand how dangerous it is making govt the ultimate authority, which you people think it has....
the govt gets its power from the consent of the governed, thus how can it EVER be higher than the people....people create government, thus govt is subservient to the people...however this idea has been bastardized by our own federal govt, certain elites quest for power...and now they have most of the foolish public believing that the govt needs to protect people from themselves and that we must abandon freedom in the name of a false sense of security....
also for the founders these truths that i am talking about were "self evident" back in the day...i guess this is no longer the case....i guess people now think that safety comes from waiving your rights to some perceived authority....all one has to do is look at history to see the pitfalls of this kind of philosophy...
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Believing in natural and common laws is the brainwashed bit. Sure most humans enjoy free will but the laws that you refer to have come from somebody, not a natural law of the universe. There is no morality, or right or wrong, in nature.
As for theft and murder, is not criminalising them in itself a restriction of our "natural rights" to do as we see fit? Who decided that they were wrong? Any laws or rights are human constructs created to allow society to exist. The USA is lucky to have such laws and rights as they aren't by any stretch of the imagination world-wide.
You've also supported von Pilsner's post in your comments about government. People have accepted the idea of government and their lives being controlled and so they participate in votes. They may be reluctant participants but they are still within the social construct of society. Once they are outside society, or outlawed, then criminal sanctions apply. From my own studies in the history of crime and punishment I think what we have now is far more benign.
Safety comes from checks and balances, that's what the constitution is all about. Your society has been given rights to help you enjoy life, liberty etc. The government and the judiciary protects those rights. Sometimes they're at odds, sometimes they're together - checks and balances.
Hood
ps I'm a 12+ year qualified lawyer so I know how law works, though I'll be learning it until the day I die.
Edit: Being a lawyer doesn't necessarily mean I'm infallible or more correct than anyone else (or rich, sadly), but it does mean that I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance.