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Old 07-24-2012, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper View Post
Yes, that is the way is should be, no question. However, the Flight Models have repeatedly been wrong with each retail and beta release, so clearly this is not the case.

I am confident that IvanK supplied the devs with the correct Flight Model data, as Ilya has gratefully acknowledged in this forum. However, not only did Ilya choose not to implement this FM data in the public release back in March, 2011....he has chosen to diverge further from the correct Flight Model data further and further with each successive retail and beta release.

Prior to the second-to-last 1.06 beta release, Ilya released through Black Six some selected RAF FM charts that were clearly incorrect, yet despite a collective outcry from this 1C community he opted to implement them anyway. At the time, those of us that voiced our concerns were told by other members of this forum "to stop complaining; it's a WIP -- the beta hadn't been released yet, so how do you know it will be wrong?" As if we can't read a flawed chart. True to form, beta (alpha?) was released -- it was a disaster. A "Hotfix" was quicky issued which made it a launchable disaster.

Now we have beta 1.07. Hurricanes don't start. Spitfire Mark I's don't start. Go to 12 lbs boost and you get less-than-87 octane performance for less than 2 minutes before the engine blows -- and remember to go to Full Lean Mixture while you do it. Ilya released this nonsense??? No mention in the beta readme notes. Oops.....no readme notes.

This is why I fully support anyone such as the OP who takes the trouble to do the testing that the devs SHOULD be doing -- while the rest of the 1C "community" sit on the sidelines at snipe at the effort.
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Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper View Post
Per Redroach's post above, the Spitfires have the mixture control incorrectly reversed in Cliffs of Dover. The Hurricanes have the mixture control modelled correctly: Pull backwards for Rich, push forward (toward the instrument panel) for Lean. When CoD was first released last year, a lot of Merlins got destroyed over this confusion until it got sorted out. Surprisingly, this seemingly easy fix was never rectified so newcomers are still frying Merlins as a result.

To confuse the issue further, when flying a Spitfire IIa at low level you go "through the gate" with your throttle and hit 12 lbs of boost at 3000 rpm with your lever in Rich position your aircraft begins to shake, throwing your aim off. Pull the mixture lever back to lean and your aircraft smooths right out -- until it blows a head gasket after about 2 minutes (on a good day).

So, you have a choice at 12 lbs boost, 3000 rpm low level in a IIa: strong shaking (rich mixture) for 2 minutes before you kill your engine, or silky smooth (lean mixture) for two minutes before you kill your engine. Or push your WEP button for 1.33 ata repeatedly with no ill effects at all for a whole tankful of gas. Oops - sorry, the Spits and Hurries don't have that feature.....
Its all these issues combined with a non existent flight manual is why i rarely fly CloD.. i simply don't know what the hell the correct way to do something is and if i do think i know it does not work in game.. leading to much annoyance & frustration.

The lack of flight manual is simply shocking.. when i've complained in the past i've been accused of being lazy, and the info is on the web. To me that is not acceptable, CloD is the 1st of the IL2 series I've really flown.. and it will be the last due to the lack of quality that MG have applied to it in regards to documentation and info.

My flight manual for my DCS P51 is hundreds of pages, and covers everything , the section covering each plane in Clod is about 2 pages and generally worthless.

I would just love to know how something is meant to work in the sim/game and have it work like that and it clearly documented so i can understand it. Then i could enjoy this game.
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