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Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Yes, I might be. Thing is though we do not know how the Mk. II engine controls were set up in 1940. The throttle lever is just, a lever giving any kind of boost it is set to give.

How did the Boost cut-out worked on the Mk. II? Was it the original boost cut-out (override for fully manual boost control in case of failure), was it giving +9 or +12?

We know the take off gate gave +12 but it fell of quickly and was basically only good for take off or very, very low altitudes. This should be definietely modelled.

The summer 1940 Mark II manual gives the maximum combat boost as +9. It does not list anything else, like the Mk I manual listing (+12) with the boost cut-out. The later, amended (1941?) Mark II manual gives the maximum combat boost as +7 (+12). This may point to that the throttle was setup to give +7 normal, and (+12) with the BCC-O.

Personally, I think the summer 1940 setup may well gave similar boost, with +7 w/o the cutout and +9 with the BCC-O.

Maybe, but we need solid evidence for that. We do not have it in the moment. On the other hand, it begs the question why the summer 1940 (unamended) spitfire II manual only gives +12 for take off, but does not clear it for normal flight (giving +9 for that without any higher figures in paranthesis).

Anyway, how important is this issue? There were marginal numbers of Mk II in the Battle. One Squadron in the summer, three in September, a couple more by November. Essentially the same numbers as 109E-x/N types, which we do not have modelled yet. 110C-x/Ns are also missing. But the developers need to take priorities, fixing the engine and existing FM is way more important IMHO than adding new planes.

I agree. I suppose Banks or someone with more technical evidence would answer your questions. What I wrote before was just an assumption based on what I know from Merlin engine history, mainly 'The Merlin in perspective: the combat years.' I agree that evidence should be a base for any changes in game. I only have the ameded Mk.II Pilot's notes, but knowing a2a FSX sim for example, with their amount of knoweledge and research, they probably got it right and they have +12lbs modelled. We'll see.

Also agreed on the N 601 engines.

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

FM is broken all the way around. 109Es were too slow, they have ridiculus stalling, 110s had too low dive limits, they miss Mine shells, 601N powered versions, Spit IIs were too good, then nerfed too bad, now hopefully correct, both Spitfires and probably 109s roll way too well at high speed, radiator drag was missing, 100 octane versions missing on both sides, German bomb sights are broken and so on. I am very doubtful that the FM bugs are biased towards any side, its broken all over the place. I get their frustration, recent FM changes were not kind. But they also need to come to terms with the fact that Blue has the 109s, and its excellent machine which held most of the aces up its sleeve even historically. Speed, firepower, good handling. They capitalize on that well.

Yeah no doubt about it.

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Sorry to say that, Red pilots were always the more whiney bunch, if you were too back with Il-2 you know that yourself.. and Il-2 history is so full of Red whining for new aircraft.

I would say it's pretty much even on both sides. That's of my experience with Il-2 from day 1 pretty much. I do remember those never ending stories like .50 cal effectivity etc etc. But same goes for blue side, too. People are people. Same goes for what you describe below - every side wants the best for themselves and the worse for the other side. Funny. I am not biased, I fly just anything and I see the same stuff everywhere.

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Red's real problem is that Blue side only flew the 109 all that time, and become so familiar with it, that it is operated at maximum efficiency and with deadly results. No new plane addition will make up for that. When +12 lbs Spits will be added, it will be a match for performance, but it won't make up for well developed and perfected tactics and routine. And seriously, anyone who expects the Hurris to be competitive against well flown 109s is kidding himself. Experienced Blue won't go on the deck and turn with you, it will employ team tactics and hit-and-run attacks, where only speed matters, even in maneuvering fights.

Never had a problem fighting the 109s myself. I agree it's down to tactics and teamwork. The problem at the moment is, and that's where the frustration is coming from, that the current beta patch FMs are too wrong. It's getting better though, let's see what the new patch will bring us.

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Oh. Sorry for that then, I did not mean it in a wrong way.

I know you didn't, I was not offended obviously, that was just FYI. I didn't know that either before I got here.