Carguy said:

>>I can play that game again. And again.<<

Well, try stopping it. Try answering the specific points instead.

>>There was plenty information on the initial fiasco of release from both russian forums aswell as folks overseas who bought the game.<<

You said it - 'initial fiasco of release'.

So - you should have to read endless forum reports to decide whether to buy a game, remembering that there are plenty of die-hard supporters embroidering and embellishing, making it very hard to distinguish truth from disingenuous clap-trap? And people's money is at stake. The silleer critics can be filtered out by the same token.

...but hold on, aren't we supposed to take something from the pre-reealse info of the devs and publishers themselves? Quite possibly. And if we do that we find a vacuum, then an eleventh hour 'half-of-it is missing' admission on the eve of release.

>>When CloD hit the shelves at stores near me (approx. April 10 2011) I already knew everything about the bugs when I bought it.<<

Good for you. And you still bought it despite it being a 'fiasco', in your own words? And so everyone else should do the same, including, presumably, those for whom web access is that much more restricted and/or difficult?

>>I don`t see why anyone who doesn`t check the reviews (and they are devastating) should have the free pass onto registering here and flaming. <<

It isn't flaming to be truthful, as has been said ad nauseum.

Either the was a fiasco or it wasn't. In your own words, it was. Surely that justifies some complaining? And if some idiots decide to go after those who complain, well bully for them. But it doesn't distract (ultimately) from what is happening - it simply takes a wee bit longer to deal with their ego and loyalty-as-excuse-for-attack. There are good loyal supporters also, who dont go after the critics as much.

The protecting-our-hobby brigade are not worth talking about.

>>Because that is what 90% of such people do. Besides bothering natural and neutral newcomers it is boring and has no constructive thought whatsoever. <<

Quite the opposite. It allows people to register their dissatisfaction, feel informed, and know what - if anything - is being done about it. All very real and natural actions and emotions that take place in all walks of life. Trying to stop it is beyond silly, and only results in more pressure being vented (as happens here). It is pointless, and fundamentally dishonest.

>>I can see why mods do not allow it. If you are unable or just do not want to be a wise or merely respectful critic, then you are free to complain on some other boards.<<

There we have it. Complain and you're not being wise and respectful. Don't and you are. Reductio ad absurdam. Or codswallop.

>>I`m sure that only a small minority of those complainers have even noticed that, besides of all the critics and flames, 1C`s product policy is catching up to them. <<

In what way? If you mean because many people feel badly let-down and badly treated, then good. That's the way of the world. People register dissatisfaction with a poor product, poor treatment. Good - let them. It doesn't mean you have to dismember the company making the product.

>>Neutral fans won`t touch BoM until CloD is fixed. I`m starting to have second thoughts about getting it also.<<

Neutral fans are just that - neutral. And should be allowed to read both sides.

>>All that is needed is facts. A year after release this game still has serious show stoppers.<<

Indeedy, so concentrate on them, and stop going after those who have constructive criticism or want to know if real fixes are likely to happen. In our lifetime.

>> IL2 did have such at the start, but not after a whole year. None of the devs flaming and needless refund threads were needed for this.<<

This isn't that. It's a whole panty-twisting bunch worse. Lot's of twisted panties. The critics realise this. Even some of the die-hard fans are beginning to realise this.

>>None of this changed anything. People are quickly starting to lose any interest in this project which is the effect of 1C not being able to set their program straight. <<

Absolutely.

And if the devs do set their program straight, good for them and we'll support them - if there are enough left to support them. But so far the indications are that they have botched everything from pre-release, to release, to post-release, to sequel announcement, to post-release patching.
There is only so much botching you can do before people call it a day.
Despite running apparently on empty, they still have residual goodwill, and people want to keep the genre going - which is good. Whether they are the company to do it, and whether they even *can* do it, is open to question.

If people want to complain, let them. Trying to stop the complaining just makes things worse.

Ben