Greets all. Ok, a number of people have responded so I'll try to answer each in turn.
@Stern. I was answering directly to a point raised by Thor, the 'discussion' has little to do with the OP at present anyway, even morphing into a Falklands debate now apparently.
To answer the point though, I do not particularly 'agree' with the celebration of Harris at all, and do not do so myself. Neither however do I particularly single him out, as Dutch has pointed out he has been made a 'scapegoat' by the latte drinking Guardianista type PC brigade, when far more were actually involved including Churchill himself at the highest level.
so what makes them worse than Harris (apart for the fact that they were fighting for the wrong cause, which again is only relevant to who actually wins the war)?
There is such a thing as a 'just war'. This was an example, in the case of fighting National Socialism, which most sane people would agree on. What we can debate of course is the prosecution of that war, and things like area bombing by all nations, which I do happen to believe was immoral. Easy to say with the benefit of hindsight though, and a pile of history books decades later.
@Thor
I am in no way denying that Germany also had a part in all of this bloodshed (bombing civilian targets, that is) but I simply refuse to engage in pontificating that "my allied raids on civilian targets are less inhuman than your axis raids on civilian targets" and the attempts to retroactively glorify a strategy that did not only cost seveal hundred thousands of civilian lives but also the lives of over 50000 british aircrew for a complete lack of results.
Agreed. Nowhere did I write, and nor do I believe that "my allied raids on civilian targets are less inhuman than your axis raids on civilian targets", neither was any attempt made to 'retro-actively' glorify anything. Neither can be 'morally superior' to the other........neither can ever be 'right' from a Humanitarian standpoint, but 'welcome to war'. Since when did Humanity or niceties have anything to do with it.
@Bewolf
Guys, what you do not get here is that you are not talking to people that participated in or supported that war. On the opposite, this one and all generations since the war actually tried everything possible to make good on it. So giving us quotes and plans from germans from generations before the war does not stick.
I disagree, and it is very pertinent to the discussion. Here is why. Harris was an RFC fighter ace with 5 victories, and had also witnessed the results of the Zeppelin and Gotha bombings of British civilians in WWI with his own eyes.
Having witnessed the lack of German compunction or concern about killing and maiming 1000's British civilians with bombs and incendiaries from the air circa 1915 onwards, I believe this would have had a profound effect upon his outlook regarding Germany, and was probably a contributory factor to the ruthlessness he later evidenced whilst in command in WWII.
The reason I posted the info was to illustrate how these aerial attacks on civilians had a profound effect upon the British psyche, remaining in memory.....and influencing public opinion and indeed official policy in WWII. An overwhelming sense of 'Deja Vu'. Perhaps fostering a determination not to let the same thing happen again....and that next time the enemy will suffer more. Its the 'tit for tat' phenomena evidenced in all conflicts, of all nations and people, which typically escalates.
In conclusion, area bombing was in my opinion undoubtedly 'wrong' on a moral basis, and most certainly nothing to celebrate....but this is easy to say now without personal involvement, and with hindsight. However, had my entire extended family and children been wiped out in the Blitz, I daresay I might be after some form of 'payback', and perhaps even celebrate the enemy suffering as I did, or maybe wanting them to suffer even more.
I can also see the viewpoints of the Bomber pilots in the documentary who expressed little to no remorse, too.....and their reasons for this. I can also understand the British peoples anger, and thoughts of retribution. Its the Human condition and there has never been any real abatement. The age old story of violence begetting violence....which ultimately does nobody any good.
A wise Mahatma once said that 'An eye for an eye.....Will make us all blind'.
He was right.
Cheers.