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Old 01-14-2012, 09:42 AM
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55s of 2x7.92mm is the same weight of lead as 15s of .303. But of course if you can only keep your sights on target for 1 or 2 secs this makes a big difference.
The cannon armed 109s had 9s of cannon fire in addition to this and I'm not sure what the wing mgs had in the earlier versions.

Tom Neil's comments had also been suitably edited to make out that the RAF won from a terribly inferior position, 'We had peashooters against these cannons' etc, right after Holland had emphasised the 55s of 20mm cannon fire.

Ludicrous.
erm, I'm afraid you don't fully comprehend how aerial gunnery works..
The efficiency is not based just on how many seconds of fire it takes to deliver the same amount of "lead", but on how it is delivered.
The RAF was stuck for a good time on the "Dowding Spread", which proved ineffective, dispersing the potential pack punch of gun convergence.
The 8 brownings of Spits and Hurries would have been effective if converged, and even then you need to make sure to hit the target at your convergence distance to achieve maximum effect.
In the heat of the battle it's kinda hard to always be at an ideal distance from your target, and considering the weak .303 calibre, achieving effective hits on a target was not an easy task.
The Germans got around this by using simpler converging (the two cowl mounted guns were very near, making for a longer converging range) and above all making every single hit count with cannons.

So yes, in terms of gunnery, the Germans had the edge, at least until the .50cal M2 was introduced (and even then converging was crucial).
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Doesn't do anyone any favours. Not the layperson, not the historian, not the brave men who did what they did on both sides.
you're confusing facts with propaganda.
It's a hard job being a historian, especially when your work confutes well established theories, based on national pride or political matters. It's like what happened to Fritz Fischer and his research on the causes of WW1, which sparked very harsh reactions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer but hey, it's part of the game..

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The man's a charlatan. Holland that is.

Queue Sternjaeger.
lol seriously? He didn't do too bad for a "charlatan", but I'm sure you know better
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