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Old 12-05-2011, 02:16 PM
Ataros Ataros is offline
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Originally Posted by Insuber View Post
Ataros, first of all, let me say that your post is perfect for eloquence and clarity. Then, to confort my words, I'm the guy who last week purchased 35 USD of RoF planes, despite that I never fly RoF. It was just because Jason wrote me a mail asking for financial help to continue the development next year. He deserves it, so I forked out my hard earned. And I'm not alone.
I will continue to do the same with CloD, and buy whatever they sell, but ... If the relationship changes from customer of a finished product, to sponsor/financer/promoter of a promising project, then the consequences must be assumed by both parties.
Among those consequences, communication and transparency are paramount. The sponsors have right as a minimum to a certain clarity on the plans and on the status of the works. More communication, to keep motivation and build trust. This is not the case today.
Hopefully the arrival of B6 in this forum will cover for this lack and reconstitute some of the lost trust.

Have a great day,
Insuber

PS: as far as promoting, actually I am the only one of my squad flying regularly CloD in ATAG, and my squad mates look at me like a bit eccentric pilot ...
Sorry I did not mean my entire post to be a reply to you personally but only the 1st paragraph. I agree with you and wish things could be better. I disagree with those who can not handle their negative emotions and bring them here to public again and again and again because this is destructive for the project.

777 is a privately owned business as far as I understand, 1C is a relatively huge corporation. What possible for 777 is not possible for 1C which is sad. Oleg had the courage to take responsibility and say about the project whatever he thinks because IL-2 was his child and he could not be just fired because he said something shareholders would not like. But now he is gone from this business. Maybe luthier can stand up and take responsibility for sincerely telling the community everything he thinks... but would community benefit if he looses his job because of crossing the line and telling too much about the reasons of bugs, etc.?

I did not get an e-mail from Jason btw (maybe I have to much RoF planes already ) and I am not going to their forums bitching about discrimination and bad customer relationship management but just assume that the mail got lost somewhere in spam filters (however I got a receipt for the purchase I made after reading the message on the forums).

Some people do not understand what is constructive and what is destructive, do not understand if they bring good or bad to the community and to the project. Thanks God, this is not a life or death issue.

$50 is nothing compared to what Oleg had to go through if you think about it btw.

EDIT: Regarding international community manager position, I asked luthier several months ago if they have such a vacancy. IIRC he replied that 1C marketing department was being downsized at that moment and people were fired. If I got it right, BlackSix's primary role is 1) mission design for BoM (because he used to work in MG at the same position in the past), then 2) managing community projects on creation of Operational Manuals, Mission-designers reference book, etc. (which the international community will benefit from) using the convenience of local forums where BlackSix is a member for 11-years (yes before original Il-2 release), and only then 3) answering some questions on the forums.

BTW UBI has the international marketing budget (which an international community manager should be paid from) because they are the publisher outside Russia but not the 1C. 1C has the marketing budget only or Russia being the publisher only for Russia and can pay for community manager only for Russia (English-speaking people are much more expensive here.). Theoretically money 1C spends on maintaining international forums is a good will only and responsibility of UBI imo.

Last edited by Ataros; 12-05-2011 at 02:43 PM.