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Originally Posted by mondo
Agreed 100%. Before Muslims it was Communists. When Communism stopped posing a serious threat to Democracy another focus was needed. Why another focus was needed I'm not quite sure but it sure makes people more patriotic when there is a common enemy.
Your the ignorant and intolerant as your using sweeping generalizations about cultures you clearly know nothing about or have ever bothered to visit. Yes, carrying the bible in Saudi is illegal, so what? Its not a death sentence.
Ever heard the term "When in Rome..."? Wearing a head scarf in government or educational establishments is illegal in Turkey (a predominantly Muslim nation with a secular government). People just get on with it, its the local law. Like if I go to the US and jaywalk, that might get me arrested. How daft is that says the man from Britain. But in the US I had to deal with the local intolerance towards pedestrians. I wasn't even carrying anything offensive, just wanting to cross the street, something perfectly legal to do in most of the rest of the world.
Go to Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Jordan, Pakistan or the majority of Muslim nations and you'll see different faiths living side by side in perfectly tolerant and very old societies. Its unfair to put all Muslims under a generalisation because they are not all the same, not all Muslim nations are the same. And people tend to forget the problems in Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran, the Muslim nations people tend to always refer to are all because of Western nations interference (mainly Britain, then the USSR and now the US) over the last 80 years.
Generalisation again. Extremists make up a very small number of Muslims, a tiny number but they have loud voices. However some of there ideology towards other faiths is not really that much different to the Christian far right in the USA or the Catholic or Protestant churches towards other faiths until quite recent history.
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You said, "Your the ignorant and intolerant as your using sweeping generalizations about cultures you clearly know nothing about or have ever bothered to visit."
You said, "Yes, carrying the bible in Saudi is illegal, so what? Its not a death sentence."
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Then what is the sentence? Deportation after a lengthy prison sentence or worse? I haven't been in Saudi for some time, but they embrace many mundane infractions as forbidden in the the name of Islam.
The Americans on these boards will speak right up. We aren't ashamed of our record, regardless of how other people twist and spin their speculative poisons.
Your Jaywalk analogy is peculiar. Jaywalking laws are practically never enforced, but they aren't stupid. Those laws are to keep pedestrians out of vehiclar traffic to prevent them from getting killed or injured. IMO, they are good laws because I sure don't want to run over someone.
It written in the Koran in so many words to strike off the head of the infidel? It sure as heck is, and those kinds of words in the hands of the wrong people cause problems, mistrust and hatred.
In America, we currently have about 6 million muslims. We get along fine with them and Americans live side by side with them as well. Do you know we don't have any laws to prohibit those persons from carry a copy of the Koran, or owning it in our country. Do you know they actually enjoy all the freedoms of being an American, freedom of speech, freedom to worship as they please, freedom to evangelize other Americans. All things that are forbidden in Muslim dominated middle east countries.
I agree that so-called Muslim extremists are not intune with any religion. They use religion to further their agenda of hatred and murder. They justify their works on the basis of faith, but we all know it's a lie. The media all over the world prefers to use words that apply to religion, because it makes better press. Intelligent people know that, but those ignorant and deceived people that are strapping on those bombs and blowing themselves up don't get it.
Have you read about any vehement denials from Muslim clerics and leaders of those persons discouraging suicide attacks? I don't read of them trying to do anything about it.
An excerpt from PBS frontline:
A madrassa is an Islamic religious school. Many of the Taliban were educated in Saudi-financed madrassas in Pakistan that teach Wahhabism, a particularly austere and rigid form of Islam which is rooted in Saudi Arabia. Around the world, Saudi wealth and charities contributed to an explosive growth of madrassas during the Afghan jihad against the Soviets. During that war (1979-1989), a new kind of madrassa emerged in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region --
not so much concerned about scholarship as
making war on infidels. The enemy then was the Soviet Union, today it's America.
Here is video from PBS..
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...etc/video.html
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