[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by winny

Are we arguing about the way we're arguing here? You know exactly what I meant when I said handgun, you're just deflecting the argument again.

now, I'm only saying that if you really want to, you can still have a handgun, muzzle loader yes, but even a revolver muzzle loader..

No, I just don't vote, they're all the same. I just get on with my life. I can't think of anything that I've wanted to do in my entire life that the govenrment stopped me from doing. They are so far removed from rel life that it's poinltess bothering with them.

and you call yourself a responsible citizen?! You don't even bother to vote "cos they're all the same" and then you get mad if I call you a sheep?

People like me? WTF? Who do you think you are?

read above, people like you, yes, who blindly vouch for their own institutions and country and don't even make an effort to make his voice count cos they're lazy.

Jeez, we're onto drugs now are we? Why? What are you going on about?
G U N S. Remember?

it's a parallel: drugs serve no purpose according to a certain part of the society, but another part (who uses them) find them enjoyable. Still, some of them are tolerated.. nonsense..

Wher have I resorted to calling you ignorant, dickish, a sheep, questioned your intelligence? I haven't. I've stuck to my side of the argument, you meanwhile go from one random analogy to another. I'm not taking this personally AT ALL. You're the one getting personal. You're the one slagging off my country of birth, have I mentioned Italy? Not once.

there's no perfect country man, but there are countries where citizens are more engaged in what's going on, and those countries work better.
Don't take it so personally, especially cos you're not that bothered about your country, since you don't vote, you just get mad if someone talks bad about it, and behave in a racist way too, inviting foreigners to leave, instead of digging your head out of the sand and listen to what people from other cultures and backgrounds have to say.

Except me? I don't want handguns to be legal in the UK. Or Semi Automatics.

yes, fine, you still haven't given valid reasons why.

They put the price up.

yeah and you're happy with that..

No, forbiding potentially dangerous things would be stupid, I'm talking about lethal wepons, expilcitly - firearms - they are not the same thing - Another smokescreen.

lethal weapons? You said that a gun is not good or bad, so why forbidding something that is not good or bad? I'd monitor the gun accessibility better, not prohibit it altogether.

Stop telling me how I'm thinking, I am a grown up, I can make my own mind up about things. I'll say it again - I don't think a hobby is a good enough reason to lobby for lifting the current bans. Time may well change this opinion, If in the future there becomes a real need for gun ownership, you know, when the oil runs out, or food, and you really would need to protect yourself then, absolutley, get me a gun. But not now, I like having an unarmed (in the main) police force, they aren't as cocky. You arm the population and the poilce arm themselves too and so do more of the criminals. Less than 40 people were killed by guns in the UK last year, that's pretty good for a nation of drunken benifit claimers. I want it to be the hardest thing you can apply for a licence for. Truth is the Brits like a good old fashioned drunken punch up more than a pussies with guns shootout. (I don't mean people with guns are pussies, I mean a pussy with a gun, someone you know you'd beat to a pulp if he wasn't armed)

I'm not telling you how you think, you know how you do it and you're convinced of what you're saying, the facts on the other hand, say otherwise. I'm not here to change your mind or whatever, I honestly don't care, but if in a potential future there will be a need to gun ownership (apocalypse, change of rules, raise of crime), you'll be late, and probably dead too.