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Originally Posted by Baron
If it was only the soundmod (sounds) i wouldnt have any problems with this situation whatsoever. If it was done in a way where the code didnt have to be illigaly cracked i wouldnt have any problems with it.
Sadly this brings along a bunch of other bs that are totaly unexepteble. Everybody knows that the new mods are done by people based on a feeling on how it should be. So maby the Italian guns are way to weak, but the modder has no way of knowing how it really should be...if they are infact to weak to begin with, who knows?
As for 6Dof? Well, 4Dof or 6Dof makes no differanse to me, anybody can bye a Trackir (As long as it works like Leitmotiv says, no gaping holes and such)
Its all the other crap that makes cheating to easy that irretates me. The cheats that pretty much cant be detected even if u had a track of the offender.
Sound in the end doesnt hurt anybody in that sence, same with 6Dof...kind of like improving what we allredy have ingame.
Personally though, i still have a problem with the starter of all this (sound) was done illigaly against Olegs wishes. (or maby sounds where done after BECAUSE the code was cracked, i dont know really. )
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I am sure that most of the people who are opposed to the modding feel the same way.. just as I am certain that most of the modders just want to make the sim better. It is the potential for cheating and the actions of a few that has so many up in arms. Considering that this community is more than 50% over 30... perhaps we will see some different things going on in this case than with previous cases of moddable sims. IMO the ideal situation would result in a fix coming from the community that would be fool proof. I really think that considering the work of MattM, Lowengren,UberD,CS and all the other guys who created some of the GREAT utilities for this sim surely someone or some group can come up with a solution that will:
1-Secure online play from modifications to FMs, DMs and weapons
Since this is the main concern of 90+% of the anti modders... I am certain that if these mods had been released in a fashion that would have rendered the FMs, DMs & weps unalterable most of the conflict would be nonexistent.
2-Allow the use of some of the other mods.
From where I sit, since the integrity of online play is the primary concern of so many, if a way could be found to allow some of he mods and yet maintain that integrity both camps would be satisfied. These mods are here.. and IMO any solution that does NOT take that into consideration will only invite hacking of the solution. The best solution considering that A)Oleg has already stated that support for IL2 will discontinue after 4.09. and B)There is .. already in place an able and willing mechanism for continued support, irregardless to how that community was formed.... is if whatever solution was created allowed for the use of some of the mods that are already here.
3-Be scalable.. in the sense that it will have at least 3 levels of security with those levels being A)Stock IL2 only. No mods of any kind at all. B)Allow the use of mods as long as they do not alter the FMs/DMs/Weps , C)Alloow the use of any mod regardless.
If the solution does those things I think it will go a long way towards keeping everyone happy and insuring that modded or not this sim goes down as the best WWII combat flight sim ever created.
Raven while I understand how you feel whatever credibility your argument may have had was rendered DOA by your post and this intro
Not to mention the content...
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Originally Posted by -=FA=-Raven
great job the sad thing is most all of you are arcade flying noobs.
so you dont know better.
this isnt counter strike or half life.
you have trashed this sim you fools
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This has to stop. This does absolutely nothing to create a solution. We all need to take this level of acrimony from both sides and stow it because it changes absolutely nothing. The problem has been hashed rehashed and has not nor will it change. If any of the folks from either side who say with their mouths that the care about this sim then they need to get off the dead end trip and get on a solution mindset because as I have sauid from day one.. the modders arent going anywhere.. and unless some form of secure online play can be regained the nomodders wont be budging either. The ONLY solution is a fix.. so concentrate on that.. in the meantime rehyashing the problem is childish, pointless, stupid and totally useless.