That is so true robtek. I've dabbled in CEM and it is something to practice on. I figure that once a stack of servers are up and running coupled with the ability to have a talk on 'teamspeak' I'll be able to get some 'free' lessons on getting some of those bloody planes to start up. Wonder if it's too much to ask for windscreen wipers to be put on the planes to wipe that damn oil off.