[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Why do you speak so about Obama and the US. It is common knowledge that the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, etc. think America is the great oppressor, yet they all want America to police the world.

Recently a radical from Croatia killed two American servicemen in Germany. Why? American soliders died in Croatia trying to stop the genocide and killing of the Croatian Muslims by the Serbian oppressors.

The news media turns things to suit their agenda, the radicals turn things to suit their agenda, and the poor people are misinformed and manipulated to think in those terms.

You know as well as I, no one respects America before or after trying to help. Everyone thinks America always has profit motive. Yet, Americans are burying their sons. Where are all the profits, when does that happen? What is the payback for the dead soldiers and billions of dollars spent to help ungrateful countries? More contempt and hatred of America and an empty wallet

The enemy is the same..radical jihadists.

The difference is most of Libya oil production is going to Western European countries. Western European countries will be forced to acquire more of their oil from Russia. It is not about freedom, it is promoted that way by the media. The Libyans will be just as oppressed by the Jihadists as they have been by Gadahfi. Sorry, it won't be any better. There will be no rule of "We the People" if Gadahfi is out of power. It will be organized radical jihadists who have planned and promoted the insurgency that take the role of oppressing the libyans.

YET, no one is thinking why the jihadists are pushing so hard to take Libya. After they took Egypt... they only got a broke country with no money or resources to promote their agenda. Now that is different with Libya. If the jihadists can get their hooks into a money tree like Libya and dedicate the resources to jihad just think of the havoc they can cause.

America should have stayed out of the Libyan conflict 100% and let the Western European countries with everything to lose see what they can do about Libya.

We will have to wait and see, but you can trust Americans will be hated regardless of the outcome. A new Jihadist Libyan government will pull their factions together to affirm their power and be more oppressive of the Libyan people than Gadahfi.

Sadly, it just looks like more of the same for the people of Libya.

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to be wrong and look forward to a democratic government ruled by "we the people".

You need a reality check. Your posts are completely disconneted from reality. Radical Jihadists? Where? You watch too much fox news, its the whole "poor america, we spread freedom and liberty and only get blame in return" bs that circulates on the right. Which Jihadists took Egypt? Your pulling bs out of thin air, the movement IS ANTI JIHADIST. Why? Because women dont want to be subjugated and repressed anymore, this unrest is driven by the educated middle class who want political reform ie a republican form of government and NOT the old repressive Muslim regimes that the west placed in the post colonial era.

People dislike america because of neocons who foolishly mix ideology and faulty realism to justify their actions. America is (and its a fact) responsible for a huge amount of post WW2 turmoil including indirectly the murder of hundreds of thousands of people in south america by overthrowing democracies, let alone other regions like Iran which had a relativly secular and secure republic until we destroyed it to install the Shah. So when you say we are interested in supporting democracies and thats what US has done in the past - it is patently false as we directly orchestrated or provided the means for dictators to put down their people. I love you citing Yemen though considering its one of the most closely tied regimes in the middle east to the US. Same with egypt, their military uses all US equipment and their officers train and live in the US before returning to egypt. The reason for the political turmoil is because of economic growth, you need to go read up on "relative deprivation".

People dont like american policy because we are hypocrits and like to saber rattle.